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    Posted: 30 April 2009 at 4:13pm

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Furthermore JMAC, the antivirals my work, but treatment should start early. This particular influenza strain is taking between 2-7 days to fully incubate to the point where it is noticeable. That reduces the effectiveness of the antivirals. Furthermore, the onset is very similar to the common cold or even allergies as far as the symptoms are concerned. The only two distinguishing factors are headache and fever, which can also be symptoms of far less threatening diseases. Where a pandemic of this type causes a problem is that you wind up getting a lot of people that present symptoms but don't have the virus in close proximity with a lot of people who actually do, because they all go to hospital or the doctor's office to make sure one way or the other. This can cause the further spread of the virus. Not to mention that antiviral stocks aren't nearly as high as stockpiles of antibiotics in this country. If they were, you'd probably see people popping tamiflu like the were z-pak.

Also, the small variety of antivirals means that you don't want to go around giving them out on a large scale due to the possibility of the virus developing a resistance. We only have 4 good antiviral medications right now. Of those, only two work. If this flu mutates (and viruses mutate rapidly) and becomes resistant to those drugs, you're pretty much at the mercy of your body's natural defenses which this strain is overpowering in otherwise young, healthy adults.

People are decrying the attention this strain is getting as "media hype" but there's a big difference between something that has killed 152 people and something that keeps you home from work for a few days. This sucker is strong, deadly, and with a relatively long incubation time, it has a very good chance at continuing to jump borders.
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JMac, the reason for all the concern is because it jumped species.  Things become extremely more dangerous and complicated when viruses, or bacteria, jump species. 

I'm guessing this is why some people mount such a strong immune response to it, which ends up not so great for the host. 
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Did you know that the a diabetic emergency has the SAME EXACT symptoms of a head injury, heart attack, cardiac arrest, seizures, strokes, and other life threatening illnesses?

Just because it has the same symptoms does not mean it can be equated to the other type.




Like you just admitted, it's more deadly. THAT is why people are freaking out.


Hey, if the head of the CDC gets worried about a virus, you bet your ass I will be too.

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Except that the symptoms are the same as the regular flu. Yes, it is more deadly but can be treated.
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Cool, good to know you can copy-paste from a yahoo.com news article. Does not change a single thing I just stated.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

There are a multitude of reasons why this flu is getting the airtime it is, and I suggest you read up on it before you make an ignorant comment as "it's the flu but only a couple of people have died".

"in humans the symptoms of swine flu are similar to those of influenza and of influenza-like illness in general. Symptoms include fever, cough, sore throat, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue. A few more patients than usual have also reported diarrhea and vomiting."

The 'normal flu' generally only kills the really young, really old, or really weak/sick. It never kills the healthy 16-50 year olds.

"Although the incidence of influenza can vary widely between years, approximately 36,000 deaths and more than 200,000 hospitalizations are directly associated with influenza every year in America"


This flu IS killing that demographic. It IS worrying that it kills the part of the population who should easily fight it off.

"The CDC recommends the use of Tamiflu (oseltamivir) or Relenza (zanamivir) for the treatment and/or prevention of infection.....They may also prevent serious flu complications. For treatment, antiviral drugs work best if started soon after getting sick (within 2 days)"

Another thing is that it's doing things to the lungs that the flu just does not do. This flu is causing pneumonia in a lot of them, which is not normal.


And finally, we're trying to figure out how it got spread to humans in the first place, and how it is continuing to spread to other humans.
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WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2 confirmed cases here.
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No, it is not even close to the same.

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Originally posted by the CDC the CDC wrote:

Antiviral Drugs and Swine Influenza

Antiviral Drugs

Antiviral drugs are prescription medicines (pills, liquid or an inhaler) with activity against influenza viruses, including swine influenza viruses. Antiviral drugs can be used to treat swine flu or to prevent infection with swine flu viruses. These medications must be prescribed by a health care professional. Influenza antiviral drugs only work against influenza viruses -- they will not help treat or prevent symptoms caused by infection from other viruses that can cause symptoms similar to the flu.

There are four influenza antiviral drugs approved for use in the United States (oseltamivir, zanamivir, amantadine and rimantadine). The swine influenza A (H1N1) viruses that have been detected in humans in the United States and Mexico are resistant to amantadine and rimantadine so these drugs will not work against these swine influenza viruses. Laboratory testing on these swine influenza A (H1N1) viruses so far indicate that they are susceptible (sensitive) to oseltamivir and zanamivir.

Benefits of Antiviral Drugs

Treatment: If you get sick, antiviral drugs can make your illness milder and make you feel better faster. They may also prevent serious influenza complications. For treatment, antiviral drugs work best if started as soon after getting sick as possible, and might not work if started more than 48 hours after illness starts.

Prevention: Influenza antiviral drugs also can be used to prevent influenza when they are given to a person who is not ill, but who has been or may be near a person with swine influenza. When used to prevent the flu, antiviral drugs are about 70% to 90% effective. When used for prevention, the number of days that they should be used will vary depending on a person’s particular situation.

CDC Recommendation

CDC recommends the use of oseltamivir or zanamivir for the treatment and/or prevention of infection with swine influenza viruses.

  • Oseltamivir (brand name Tamiflu ®) is approved to both treat and prevent influenza A and B virus infection in people one year of age and older.
  • Zanamivir (brand name Relenza ®) is approved to treat influenza A and B virus infection in people 7 years and older and to prevent influenza A and B virus infection in people 5 years and older.

Recommendations for using antiviral drugs for treatment or prevention of swine influenza will change as we learn more about this new virus.

Clinicians should consider treating any person with confirmed or suspected swine influenza with an antiviral drug. Visit: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/recommendations.htm for specific recommendations.


I meant antiviral but same difference.




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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Dude, you realize that antibiotics don't do anything against viruses, and than influenza is a virus, right?
Seriously, it's right there in the name.

I don't get how some people cannot understand that.

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There are a multitude of reasons why this flu is getting the airtime it is, and I suggest you read up on it before you make an ignorant comment as "it's the flu but only a couple of people have died".


The 'normal flu' generally only kills the really young, really old, or really weak/sick. It never kills the healthy 16-50 year olds.


This flu IS killing that demographic. It IS worrying that it kills the part of the population who should easily fight it off.

Another thing is that it's doing things to the lungs that the flu just does not do. This flu is causing pneumonia in a lot of them, which is not normal.


And finally, we're trying to figure out how it got spread to humans in the first place, and how it is continuing to spread to other humans.

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Dude, you realize that antibiotics don't do anything against viruses, and than influenza is a virus, right?

Antiviral drugs are only somewhat effective anyway, not nearly to the point where we can rely on them the way we rely on antibiotics for bacterial infections.
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The greatest threat is if this thing turned into a pandemic, because then, we would run out of the antiviral drugs needed to fight the flu and people would start dieing here. People are dying in Mexico because of the lack of the right kind of antiviral drugs.

Also, a student brought in about 7 masks today and handed them out, and it was pretty funny. I wanted one. But anyways.


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From what I've read it's not good when flu viruses mix their gene types, which is what happened in 1918 from bird flu. Though with today's medical technologies I don't see it getting as bad as it did back then, but still it shouldn't be ignored. 
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So far we have no cases here. Health officials said they expect to see it hit the state but they aren't super worried about it.
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We also have confirmed cases in Indiana. 

Im still not too worried about it though.
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