Why Vets hate Obama

Peter Parker wrote: oldpbnoob wrote: I must be having a slow day, but I am not seeing the logical flaws. Must be a difference of opinion. Anyways.... You are basically making taxes and government services opt-out. Since I never go to Alabama, I hereby opt out of all Federal taxes that goes to Alabama. Problem with this continued argument, you brought up Missouri earlier, is that these taxes a lot of times go towards public works such as roads. You do in fact use these roads in the form of the trucks that travel across it to bring you the goods that you use on a daily basis. So, yes, you owe these.  I do have a question for you Petey. You mentioned that your children go to a private school. Why would you pay to send them to a private school when they have a perfectly good tax payer supported, government run public school just down the road? It couldn't possibly be because the private school offers a better education? How does this differ from NHS? If you don't trust the government to provide an education to your kids, do you really want to trust them with your life? What evidence is there that they will do any better of a job? We pay for private school because we determined that the local public school was not up to our expectations. We considered moving into a better district (about half a mile away), but eventually decided against it. There are plenty of perfectly fine public schools around. In fact, had we been able to open enroll in the better school district (we missed the lottery) we would not even have considered private school. I get angry every time I write a check. The fact remains that you don't think the government can even run a school. They have shown time and again, that they fail in education, VA, social security etc. Sure, why not give them another try. What, it's only our lives. An unfortunate feature of the US public school system is the very uneven quality due to local funding (yet another topic), but I have absolutely nothing against public school. If/when we move, I fully expect to use the public schools. But moreover, at no point did I think that I was entitled in any way to a tax reduction because I elect not to use the public schools. By that theory, the old lady next to me should also not pay taxes associated with school, since she is, you know, old. See, I am looking out for your best interest, because I think you are. As for the old lady, at one time, her kids most likely went to the school. I am not talking about a permanent opt out, just as long as you are using an alternative method of educating your kids.  Same with healthcare. Problem being is that I beleive nationalizing it will make private healthcare that much more expensive. In order to get "good" healthcare, you will have to go private. Only the wealthy will be able to afford this. So truly, which is the more elitist plan? So it is with any type of NHS. I would not support any system that prohibited people from obtaining private medical care or insurance, but nor would I expect such a system to allow users to opt out and avoid taxes. Than we simply have to disagree. I don't see the system necessarily as broken. What I see is increased costs to me because of the bottom of the barrel dragging the system down so that you and I have to pay for them. I don't think NHS will change that.   That isn't how taxes work. I pay above-average taxes, and use below-average government services. As do I. For others it is the opposite. Every one of us pay taxes for services for which we aren't even legally eligible. Not one among us pays taxes exactly for what we use. Taxes are not a self-service menu, but a pooling of resources for the common good. And if you honestly cannot see how a healthy population benefits everybody, just the same as a well-educated population benefits everybody, then we have a fundamental disconnect.  Natural selection? And what evidence is there that a NHS would do a better job than what we have now? That's easy: we have the worst healthcare among all fully industrialized nations, and the most expensive. It could hardly get worse.  Matter of opinion.

Peter Parker wrote: oldpbnoob wrote: I 100% agree with you. If you send your kids to private school, why should you have to pay local school taxes? That's not what I said at all. I am saying that because my kids are in private school, NOBODY should have public school. The government should not be providing education for anybody at all. That is what the free market is for. We aren't socialists.

The largest part of my property taxes goes to my towns public education system. The break down is $12-16,000 per student a year. I send my little one to a private school for $4200 a year. Not only is he getting a better education in a private school but its cost alot less per student.
There is a place for public schools, but at least in my city...or for that matter my state, the public school systems are a disaster. Its way over budget, and test scores are horrible.   Think about it a private school give a better education at a third of the price....    

Peter Parker wrote: oldpbnoob wrote: Peter Parker wrote: oldpbnoob wrote: I 100% agree with you. If you send your kids to private school, why should you have to pay local school taxes? That's not what I said at all. I am saying that because my kids are in private school, NOBODY should have public school. The government should not be providing education for anybody at all. That is what the free market is for. We aren't socialists. Well that's silly because no one would get an education. If you can't afford to pay for a private education, you should be taxed, and get a lesser public education. Seems fair to me. Kind of like healthcare. If I can afford my own private healthcare, why should I have to pay taxes to support a national one? This isn't my line, but... are you trolling? You don't usually post stuff with massive and obvious logical flaws like this. I mean, seriously, dude. Seriously. Please tell me you are trolling.

-facepalm- great comeback!

Peter Parker wrote: You know what I think? I think we should abolish public schools.   My kid is in private school, so I could care less about schooling for others. If I can afford it so can they. Maybe they should have worked harder to get better jobs if they can't afford it. America is the land of Dreams. Just have to work your arse off to get it. Something else we should abolish: Police. I live in a safe neighborhood, so I don't need the police. If I did, I would just hire my own security. So I don't care about those who need police or can't afford their own security. Screw'em. Screw'em all. Should have worked harder. And roads in Missouri. I don't live their anymore, so I don't care about the roads there. If they want roads, they can buy their own roads. Hicks should have worked harder if they didn't want to drive on gravel. The dream is there. You just have to work for it.

If you can afford Private Schools for your kid then by all means you should get a Tax Break on that.

Regardless of how safe your neighborhood is Unless you plan to dig a Moat and a Parapet. Then Sure a tax break then also. Thou should you need the Police Expect a Bill.

And I do agree about roads on Mississippi for all I care they can drive on dirt. Same Argument that's caused a heated Debate in my state. The new Democrat Governor wants to raise gas taxes which they haven't since 1991 so I don't have a problem with the Raise. But how ever I do have a huge Issue with his Humongous tax raise plan just so people in Boston can ride the Metro for cheaper and so they don't have to raise tolls out in Boston and to pay for the Colossal Goat Rodeo that is the Big Dig. besides a few trips to Fenway a Year and going to see the BossTones I dont travel to Boston that much so I dont mind paying a higher toll for that day. What I dont agree is to pay for JMAC3 to drive around the MBTA and all them lame redundant highway agencies we have wich number 5 in one state.

im right there with you

Hysteria wrote: oldpbnoob wrote: Only the wealthy will be able to afford this. So truly, which is the more elitist plan? oldpbnoob wrote: Taxes are not a self-service menu, but a pooling of resources for the common good. And if you honestly cannot see how a healthy population benefits everybody, just the same as a well-educated population benefits everybody, then we have a fundamental disconnect.  Natural selection? I find it highly ironic that you will dub any plan "elitist" when you are willing to let those who can't afford health care simply die out via natural selection.

Edited by oldpbnoob - 18 March 2009 at 8:38am

Rofl_Mao wrote: Peter Parker wrote: oldpbnoob wrote: Peter Parker wrote: oldpbnoob wrote: I 100% agree with you. If you send your kids to private school, why should you have to pay local school taxes? That's not what I said at all. I am saying that because my kids are in private school, NOBODY should have public school. The government should not be providing education for anybody at all. That is what the free market is for. We aren't socialists. Well that's silly because no one would get an education. If you can't afford to pay for a private education, you should be taxed, and get a lesser public education. Seems fair to me. Kind of like healthcare. If I can afford my own private healthcare, why should I have to pay taxes to support a national one? This isn't my line, but... are you trolling? You don't usually post stuff with massive and obvious logical flaws like this. I mean, seriously, dude. Seriously. Please tell me you are trolling. -facepalm- great comeback!

Quit brown-nosing the (actual) forum conservatives, and GTFO.

Evil Elvis wrote:    Not-so clever jabs aside. All you hippies know that without the Industry behind Health care we still be treating people with leaches and toad warts. Then of course is easy for the rest of the world to give diluted tech to people in socialist health care systems.    Since I actually have a decent health care plan with excellent coverage. I could care less about universal coverage. If I can afford it so can they. Maybe they should work 2 jobs like I do along with my seasonal Fence gigs I do in warm weather.     America is the land of Dreams. Just have to work your arse off to get it.

No, it just means you haven't had anything major happen to you, yet.