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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ParielIsBack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2009 at 9:28pm
I think it's legitimate to press politicians to keep their campaign promises, but I think it's utterly retarded that it's done only to bash them.  People wonder why politics don't work, but it's that exact mentality of "You're wrong, I'm right, and I'm not going to be constructive AT ALL" that makes it as bad as it seems.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darur Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2009 at 9:19pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

To be honest, I've never seen a president in my time keep even remote amount of every campaign promise they make. I don't think you can judge a president by his promises, but by the outcome at the end of four years. It's just too early to call Obama a success or a failure, and for anyone rooting for him to fail, shame on you.
 
That being said, I at least commend this administration for admitting that it's failed in some areas, I think Obama is probably one of the few politicians out there who will genuinely listen to the public when he makes a move, even if I disagree with alot of what he does.


I think you're certainly right that most presidents don't keep all of their campaign promises, and that regardless of political affiliations, no one should hope Obama fails.

That being said, Obama set a very high bar for himself after the election with promises of accountability and change beyond what your average politician would promise.  Consequentially, we have a right to hold him to these promises.

Personally, I think its silly to keep a scorecard, but you can't say "Obama is fantastic and a great president" and "don't judge him yet!" in the same sentence.
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Stop being so logical strato, it's not welcome here.
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To be honest, I've never seen a president in my time keep even remote amount of every campaign promise they make. I don't think you can judge a president by his promises, but by the outcome at the end of four years. It's just too early to call Obama a success or a failure, and for anyone rooting for him to fail, shame on you.
 
That being said, I at least commend this administration for admitting that it's failed in some areas, I think Obama is probably one of the few politicians out there who will genuinely listen to the public when he makes a move, even if I disagree with alot of what he does.
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To add to tallen, the compromise for the "no lobbyists in office" thing, is a load of crap.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

He's 17 and 2 for kept vs broken.


Well, I wouldn't actually go that far. They called this one a "compromise" but let's face it, there are something like 9,000 earmarks in the omnibus package. I call that a failure right there.

to quote the obamater:
Quote The Omnibus, however, is loaded with earmarks. Obama and the White House could have used the bully pulpit to criticize them. But they have not been very critical, nor have they indicated any attempt to go "line by line" through the bill to look for wasteful programs, as Obama pledged during the campaign.

Administration budget chief Peter Orszag said, "We want to just move on. Let's get this bill done, get it into law and move forward."


Now, PolitiFact says they're going to re-visit this one due to the deep contrast between the 9k+ earmarks in the omnibus and the relatively earmark free economic stimulus package, but passing this bill just to "move on." isn't a compromise, it's a failure plain and simple. That "2" in the broken column should be a "3" any way you look at it.
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Too bad the promises aren't weighted.  Confused
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

He's 17 and 2 for kept vs broken.


Truth. If I were one of those intent on badmouthing Obama, I wouldn't be flashing that 'promise-o-meter' web site around so much.


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He's 17 and 2 for kept vs broken.
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And its just great how He was sayin the other day that the best way for us to get out of this financial mess is to be watchful and responsible spenders.....but only after we wrecklessly spend $800 BILLION......really....?
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I realize I am probably a bit slow to pick this up, but anyone else find the humorous irony of one of the 'pork" projects is a provision for hundreds of thousands of dollars for a study on how to contain pig flatulance? Guess that really is a "pork project". A real stinker of one too.

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Man, I love these threads.
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I think the proper term for it is the OmniPork Spendulous Turducken Bill.
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I have to agree with you on this one. I think this is BS. Change, only if it suits him is what it looks like sometimes.
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It is pretty ridiculous, they claim that they will be cracking down on ear marks in the coming months. let's hope it's true.


Also, earmarks aren't always a bad thing. They get a bad rap.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oldsoldier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2009 at 11:36am
Obama is signing the Omnibus bill with the @8000 earmarks, so much for another campaign promise. 51 day to break a major promise, and not even doing a "public" signing, real class act we got at the wheel.

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