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    Posted: 16 December 2008 at 8:50pm
I want to know what the best markers are (preferably under $300) for sniping. I don't care if it shoots fast, or if it uses a lot of air, I want a marker that shoots hard and strait.

I started out on a Spyder Victor, and have since upgraded to a JT Tac-5M. I have a scope, laser, and 14" barrel, and stock on my JT, and it shoots pretty well, but there is plenty of room for improvement.

I recently tried an A-5 with a 16" barrel, and was really impressed with it. I've been looking around and think that this looks like a nice setup at a good price: <http://www.paintball-online.com/shop/Tippmann-A-5-Sniper -Paintball-Gun-Kit_prod_GNTA5SK_STN_295#ReadReviews>

Am I making the right choice? What other options are there?
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in before the crazy/overdone debates...starting to think we need to put together a small package that tippmann will just send someone when they join the forum, and enclosed in that letter would be a small description/explanation of all myths, common misconseptions, things to know etc.....

wild im sure you wont understand the above but you will....

ok, Im assuming your fairly new at this and Ill try to answer everything.  there is no such thing as sniping in paintball, but if you want a good quality marker/setup that gives good consistency and accuracy that is possible. No marker shoots harder than another as long as there shootings the same fps, and most markers shoot fairly similar to eachother.  A5's are great to begin with and a 16" barrel is within the ideal length of barrels.  the A5 package you are looking at seems ok, except the 20" barrel. 20" is too long, you would be wise to stay within the 14-16" range. although the advertisement says it will give good accuracy and range, its not.
 

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Hey Wild just a quick word of advice. Get a shorter barrel than 16". Its alot of barrel, the lenght makes it hard to manuver with and it is even harder for close quarters. Ever 14" barrels are long. I am speaking from experiance here. I bought a 16" barrel for my A5 when I first started and I replaced it almost imediately. If I were you the max barrel I'd use was 12".
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Agreed here...nothing longer than 14" unless you like the "look" of it.  Anything over 14" provides no benefit to performance. 

While my guides page has a much more in-depth discussion on the subject (3 parts no less) the basics are get a regulated air source, a decent barrel, shoot good paint, and get the size of the paint to match the bore of your barrel as close as possible.  That's what makes for a consistant and thus "more accurate" marker.

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I recognize that there is no true sniping in paintball, but I want a setup where I can accurately hit an opponent before he sees me. I play woods ball 95% of the time, and play in a ghillie suit. We usually position me in a tactical position to support the team (using cockers and spyders mainly) by essintially keeping the bad guys scared of the unseen gunner until the guys with the fast guns and work around the bad guys.

I want to go from being a tactical scare, to a real threat. Using my JT the balls tend curve, regardless of velocity. (and power the same power at same fps. No offence, but DUH. Considering all paintballs weigh about the same, if they are moving the same speed, of cource they will be shooting exacly as hard)

I've heard the barrels over 16" thing being useless alot, so what to you guys think of this setup? http://www.paintball-online.com/shop/Tippmann-A5-Designated- Marksman-Paintball-Marker-Package_prod_GNTA5DM_STD_787#ReadR eviews

Also, is the A-5 going to be the best choice for a marksman type gun?
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I think you should just shoot people

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WD, I am not big on "package guns" in that I like to buy a bare marker and add the components that I want on them. Consider buying used and check into Ebay, PbNation and Mccarter Brown. You can usually pick up some decent deals if you shop around. The package you linked is ok if that is what you are looking for. Personally, I am not a fan of the 16" barrel, but thats me. Also, if you are actually going for the M4/m16 look, maybe you should look into an Alpha Black. An e-gripped tactical version can be had for around $170. Add a J&J ceramic barrel for another $30, a Cyclone for another $50 and you have a good solid marker that will be just as accurate as the marker you linked and have the capability of laying down suppression fire if needed.  
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Originally posted by WildDestroyer WildDestroyer wrote:

... I want a setup where I can accurately hit an opponent before he sees me.

Well, you've already got the uber-camo, so you are hiding.  Now you want to focus on either extending range or increasing accuracy.

For extending range, there are exactly two choices:  Flatline and Apex.  Both barrels will extend range at some cost to accuracy.

For accuracy, any quality barrel will help, as will quality paint.  High-end electros can also be astonishingly accurate. 

Basically, your issues are all the same things that all paintballers try to improve.  A search through the forum for "accuracy" or "consistency" will reveal long lists of guns and upgrades that can help in this neverending quest.

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Well, there is the Warsensor Hop Up for the A5 in addition to the Apex or Flatline...but that's only if you have an A5. 

For accuracy, I would take the Flatline off the list.  While it does add distance it doesn't do it with any kind of accuracy.

What it sounds like you're doing is a holding action and honestly having a couple guys lay down a base of fire is going to be more effective then a couple of "snipers" in the brush. While the opposing side may stop and "hunt" for you two they may also start a flanking motion or just rush forward to break through what they may think is only one player.  This is bad because you are trying to HOLD them there for your flanking unit to engage them from the flank or rear. (Or as General Patton put it, "This is where we hold them by the nose and kick them in the azz!")

You'd be better having the two of you stationed behind good cover and laying down a heavy volumn of fire if you want to pin them down.  They will seek cover and return fire without moving very much.  Not only that, but the noise of the firefight will help cover the sound of your flanking force moving up allowing them to move faster and engage sooner. 

Yea, I know, a bit off of your Sniper post but like others have said look at improving consistancy and you will improve accuracy.  Paintball is inherently inaccurate and the only way to ensure a 95% ELIMINATION rate (remember you have to have the ball break to eliminate...just hitting them isn't enough) is to shoot at them from a very close range...like under 50 feet...and be able to target a spot on them that is firm and will almost gaurentee a break. 

Agian, on my site (link in sig) I've written up a three part article on paintball accuracy if you want to learn more about it.  I collected the information from many different sources and I'm sure it will help you understand how best to achive the goal you are looking for.



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As it has already been said...

Get a marker and a good barrel w/ good paint to barrel match.  I prefer the J&J series simply because I have use it for years and it has never let me down.  If you plan on using different kinds of paint then I recomend a kit so that you can always match it up to your paint. The length is also correct above.  I would stay between 12"  & 14".  After that its kind of pointless and higher than 16 actually hinders performance because of drag.  If you want 16" though because you like the look and feel of it then get it since it should feel best to you.  Good paint is also ideal.  I am not saying you have to go out and spend top dollar on marbs but some Blaze, Formula 13, RPS Premium... etc.  Some decent paints that have a good shell and are not dimpled. 

The air source is also vital.  If you only want to use CO2 whether it be cost of tank or availability of air fills then I  also recommend the Palmers Stabilizer.  It will help to control the CO2's consistency and will allow for greater accuracy.  If you get HPA you can get a good Crossfire or PE tank for a good price.  Both have pretty ecent regs.  I currently use one of each and they have never let me down.

As far as the gun goes that is up to you.  There are always tippmanns  but there are a few more out there that can shoot off of either  that are usually pretty decent.   While i usually do not like SP I have heard good things about the SP1 and it is quieter than most Tippmanns which will  help your stealth ability.  You can even get an inexpensive hopper for one like that since it shoots at 11 bps max on its stock board. Personally I prefer Tippmanns to most other guns for woodsball though.  The 98 is always a solid choice and easily upgradable as is the A5.  I prefer the A5 for the cyclone but thats just me. 

In the end you want to find a marker that feels comfortable to you.  No one else can give you that opinion. 

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Just to put it out there: I don't give a crap what the gun "looks" like. As long as its not bright yellow and orange, etc. I don't want it to look "flashy" or "real." And I can adapt to feel over time. Its overall performance I'm looking at.
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Welllll.... I read most of the above comments. I think it comes down to 2 simple ideas. Do you want to be an accurate shooter or as close as the real thing. I try for both. I have customized my 98 (with  the old flatline) and fine tuned its' accuracy. I get concictent kills at over 130 to 150 ft and most times they don't know where I am. Is there a one-shot-one -kill? Very rarely. I recommend a good plain tippmann with a flatline. That gets you as close to the real thing as possible. I included a link my site to show my custom sniper...

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get a pump or go try markers somewhere like a local pro-
shop to see which one you're looking for. I think we're
"missing" what you're going for so go shoot somebody
else's marker in the chrono area at a local field and
see what you like or something.
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one of the best guns in my arsenal for accuracy is my autococker trilogy.  Its not the best cocker on the block but its quiet, reliable, and accurate.  go get that with HPA and a J&J kit. If you are looking for something else then let us know.  I guess I am not really sure what you are asking anymore.  Do you just want to tell you exactly what tobuy even if you dont really like it?
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To clarify some things:
1. I want people to relay their personal experience with various markers and setups in accordance to accuracy/consistency- not necessarily range.
As team "marksman" I'm used to being put in some uncomfortable spots
and the marker won't effect me too much if I practice. I want it to pay off in the long run.

2. I live in a small town with no local paintball field or store that supplies paintball equipment. I've got to order online or travel across state to buy stuff.
When I play, my buddies and I go back into my 70 acre patch of woods to play in- thus no rules as long as no one gets hurt too bad. (Explosion marks from a bottle rocket count the same as a spattered paintball). We play matches that last over three hours some times, so I want a durable marker, which is why I'm looking at Tippmann.

3. Sounds like I will defiantly need to get a regulator (I use 86 ounces of CO2)

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!!!

I want an 86 oz. tank so bad...

I could power my Shocker for decades!

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 maybe a Tippmann A5 or 98.   Both are extremely rugged markers and both are very reliable.  Put a nice barrel on it (AKA A Lapco or a J&J) and regulate the pressure a little better and you will have an accurate marker. Then just  make sure you use a decent quality ball that has a good match to the barrel  and you will be all set.
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i have a 14 barrel it works fine .16 doesent hirt proformance but you can hide behind brush better. just get the right paint for the barrel and stay in the 14 to 16 range. 16plus is to much hard to get around trees .
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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

I want an 86 oz. tank so bad...



Sorry, I mean I've got 86 total. Its actually three 20s, a 12, and a 9. Whoops, and that's only 81...
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Originally posted by WildDestroyer WildDestroyer wrote:


Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:


I want an 86 oz. tank so bad...


Sorry, I mean I've got 86 total. Its actually
three 20s, a 12, and a 9. Whoops, and that's only
81...

what i don't understand is how you having an obscene
number of tanks means you need a regulator. A regulator
would certainly improve shot to shot performance and
consistency but it wouldn't matter how much extra c02
you have.
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