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    Posted: 12 February 2009 at 3:26pm
If you want to snipe get yourself a Tib9 and the upgrade system for the new first strike sniper round and you will have yourself probably the first true sniper marker in paintball. Hopefully you have alot of $$$ otherwise forget about it! HEHEHE.
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yes but i dont think the rifling is  quite the same.  it is only  8.5" though.  I   am  hopeing they release a 12" soon just because 14 and 16  are a little long for my  liking.
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I already have a long barrel on my WS66 so staying away from a long barrel on my A5 would be best.  Isn't the Sharktooth barrel that Hammerhead sells similar to the straightline just shorter?
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Originally posted by Robotech Robotech wrote:

I may have to try one of these hammerhead barrels on my A5.  Seems to me a lot of people really like them and they perform well.  Would be interested in checking one out.
 
I'd wait a few months.  I've talked to them and they said they have a few things in the pipe for release soon.
 
One is a tip that they already have on their website.
 
the other is a newer barrel.  If it can do what the straightline does and be a smaller length then that might be perfect for most people.
 
Unless you want to have the Straightline and call your marker the "Peter North" .... LOL
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Originally posted by thejudge thejudge wrote:

one of the best guns in my arsenal for accuracy is my autococker trilogy.  Its not the best cocker on the block but its quiet, reliable, and accurate.  go get that with HPA and a J&J kit. If you are looking for something else then let us know.  I guess I am not really sure what you are asking anymore.  Do you just want to tell you exactly what tobuy even if you dont really like it?
 
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I'd like to try one of those straightlines, but for $150... I'll wait.
 
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I may have to try one of these hammerhead barrels on my A5.  Seems to me a lot of people really like them and they perform well.  Would be interested in checking one out.
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Originally posted by Robotech Robotech wrote:

Agreed here...nothing longer than 14" unless you like the "look" of it.  Anything over 14" provides no benefit to performance. 

While my guides page has a much more in-depth discussion on the subject (3 parts no less) the basics are get a regulated air source, a decent barrel, shoot good paint, and get the size of the paint to match the bore of your barrel as close as possible.  That's what makes for a consistant and thus "more accurate" marker.

 
You know in the 22 years of playing this game I would agree with you.  Nothing over 14 inches, with the ideal length between 8 and 12.
 
Then at last years D-Day I got the new Straightline Hammerhead.  Overall length with the fins on is 16 inches.
 
I was a little concerned about it because it would mean drag on the ball and turning up the velocity and blah blah blah....
 
The guy I talked to said it was the best barrel they've ever made.  Help with efficiency and all I really heard was blah blah blah ....  The back of my head I was saying whatever dude, seeing is believing.
 
So I put the barrel on my X-7 that was already Chronoed at 280.  Had to rechrono because they required it before each mini scenario.  I was laughing with some of the guys about the length of the barrel and how they believed I was trying to make up for something else.
 
The marker chronoed at 345.
 
Now I have a Palmer Stabilizer on every marker I have.  So I was actually REALLY SHOCKED to see this.  I turned the thing down till I got it to 285.  Accuracy was on par with my J&J Edge kit.  Sound down range according to my teammates was that they just heard the ball wiz by.
 
I thought this was a fluck of some sort.  Maybe there was something going on with the weather and all that.
 
Two months later I decide to put the barrel on my ION.  I had that thing dialed in at 280 as well.  I go to chrono and I'm at 365.  I curse myself for forgetting that this would/might happen and the ref is like "Just shoot a few rounds off, I see this all the time."  I tell him the story, and he calls BS on me, so I go back to my car, get my J&J kit with and walk back.  I swap out the barrel with the 12 inch and I hit 280 for 10 balls straight ... give or take a few FPS.
 
I put the Straightline back on and it jumped back up to 365.
 
He said he never saw a 16" barrel do that before.  I agreed.
 
Since that day I'm made the barrel my standard for my B-5.  with a 16" barrel on my Bullpup there really isn't a huge poker stick out the front anymore.
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Well it seams like this thread is starting to wrap up. Amen to Robotech's comment on enjoying the sport. Know what? I enjoy scaring people walking into the match. I've got a guy who plays with me who usually carries a gear bag: the team stashes most our air and balls with him, I figure he has got room to carry some extra barrels with him.

Every game is different, you never know what the other guys will do- It'll probobly be helpfull to have the flexibility of 9-20" barrels of various loudness. Not to mention, the hiding behind brush idea could have been useful in some matches I've been in.

It's interesting to see how my team has grown over the two years we've been doing this. We all started on your standard walley world <70 gun, and have since all moved into our little nitches. We have two guys on MR1's, one who is in love with his Victor, and one who is happy with his pump and his pistol. Not to mention one who is soon to own an A-5.

By the way- I didn't know that about the Barret: another interesting thing.

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a-sock, I think you and I are basically on the same page.  My setup certainly isn't for everyone but it works great for my style of play. 

When I advise I address those areas that are core to the question being asked. Since I can achieve the same accuracy with a 14" barrel that I can with my 20" barrel I believe barrel length now comes down to personal preference and style of play and wouldn't be something I would talk to the poster about other than to say anything over 14" is going to be for looks only.  If you see my first post in this thread that's exactly what I told him. But if he hears all the arguments as to why 20" barrels are only a cosmetic selection and he still chooses it I see no reason to belittle him for it is all I'm getting at. 



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Originally posted by WildDestroyer WildDestroyer wrote:

Originally posted by a_sock a_sock wrote:

so you go through 2 thousand rounds? so basically a case. I kind of doubt your also doing 18-20 hours of paintball in 1 day... On a long day I might get 8 in.
Glad to hear your going to use your using barrels above and below the most beneficial range the majority of us hear have advised


Who through a mouse in your shoe? Who are you to tell me how long I'm allowed to play anyway? When I play paintball, I play paintball. We usually start at nine or ten and go till afterdark. I've even been in a few overnighters. And I never specified the length of the smaller barrels that I would use. Acording to umm, everyone 14-16" is ideal, and I was planning on using a 14". Plus, I'll probobly buy a Spyder-Tippmann adapter so I can use my 9", 12."

Robotech: Read your guides, they were very well thought out, and cleared some stuff up- thanks.

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Read that you wanted to just get a 20", post was towards that comment, with your current descision id agree that would work out best. Not saying how long you can play, i just thought you ment consectutive hours of play, I mean, actually playing 18 hours straight, if your camping or doing an all nighter thats not actual play time, Im assuming you take large breaks or spend your time doing something else, not just constant paintball.

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Thanks WD.

A-sock...no, I do move up.  How do I play?  Mainly a standup rifleman.  I'm not as young as I once was and am far better and putting people back in their bunkers than running up and pressing in tight in the forward bunkers.  I have no problem putting paint wherever I want it.  Through a 2" hole at 75', between branches, popping hoppers as they come up over a ridge like this last weekend, hitting people from 150' out with a copule well placed shots, or covering 2/3rds of a field and taking out people who thought they were safe.

I had people just this weekend comment on how straight the marker shot, how far it seemed to shoot, and it's accuracy at long range.  I never rack up huge elimination numbers but I do my part to keep the guys that rush forward safe when they move and I do it very well.  I can play the "marksman" role but generally speaking supporting the team does a lot more to winning a game than going solo...and it seems the only why out here to consistantly rack up those "Sniper" type shots outside the occasional opportunity would be to go solo.  I just don't do that. So whether I'm shooting the "Barrett" (which actually was built to be an Anti-Tank gun and hence the size) or the M4/M203...I guess you'd call me a support player.  Need accurate cover fire, I'm your guy.  Need that building or tank taken out...I'm on it.  Couple guys that are exposing a shoe 100' up...I'll take the shot.  That's me...support.  (note the picture of me playing in my sig with said 20" barrel)

All I was getting at was if the guy listens to all the advice and decides to play with a 20" barrel (which he hasn't) there is no need to ridicule him for his choice.  For me, I could probably have aspects of my game which would improve with a smaller, lighter marker but I wouldn't look forward to playing as much as I do now...It just wouldn't be as enjoyable for me.  In the end, I'm out here to have fun and if that means I go out with a 20" barrel and a marker that weighs in at 12lbs to do so then who is anyone to tell me it's "wrong".  To me, everything else about paintball comes second to me enjoying it.  When that stops being the case is the day I stop playing.



Not to say anything is wrong with the way anyone plays, its just that its not perfect. Im a bit of a fanatic for things being as efficient as possible, I try to make sure everything works well. you can play with whatever you want, its just that I would never use/advise using anything that is not beneficial or hinders your play. I dont take into account how things make you feel when you play, if you get a different, more preferable experience from it, even if it decreases your performance.  Im sure that you can play better with your more functional/ better proportioned markers, or even play better with more functional markers, but then again you might not enjoy it as much.

Eh Its just that I enjoy playing better, and like youve said you could play better with other gear, but you enjoy what you have right now. thats great, I sort of understand the want for milsim stuff, but if somone had asked you if that is the best setup for that type of play or if that was the best performing/accurate setup, would you say yes? this guy has asked whats the most accurate setup, I stand by my advice that a 14-16" barrel kit, using air and a good regulator will yeild the greatest accuracy that he can get out of his present marker.

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Thanks WD.

A-sock...no, I do move up.  How do I play?  Mainly a standup rifleman.  I'm not as young as I once was and am far better and putting people back in their bunkers than running up and pressing in tight in the forward bunkers.  I have no problem putting paint wherever I want it.  Through a 2" hole at 75', between branches, popping hoppers as they come up over a ridge like this last weekend, hitting people from 150' out with a copule well placed shots, or covering 2/3rds of a field and taking out people who thought they were safe.

I had people just this weekend comment on how straight the marker shot, how far it seemed to shoot, and it's accuracy at long range.  I never rack up huge elimination numbers but I do my part to keep the guys that rush forward safe when they move and I do it very well.  I can play the "marksman" role but generally speaking supporting the team does a lot more to winning a game than going solo...and it seems the only why out here to consistantly rack up those "Sniper" type shots outside the occasional opportunity would be to go solo.  I just don't do that. So whether I'm shooting the "Barrett" (which actually was built to be an Anti-Tank gun and hence the size) or the M4/M203...I guess you'd call me a support player.  Need accurate cover fire, I'm your guy.  Need that building or tank taken out...I'm on it.  Couple guys that are exposing a shoe 100' up...I'll take the shot.  That's me...support.  (note the picture of me playing in my sig with said 20" barrel)

All I was getting at was if the guy listens to all the advice and decides to play with a 20" barrel (which he hasn't) there is no need to ridicule him for his choice.  For me, I could probably have aspects of my game which would improve with a smaller, lighter marker but I wouldn't look forward to playing as much as I do now...It just wouldn't be as enjoyable for me.  In the end, I'm out here to have fun and if that means I go out with a 20" barrel and a marker that weighs in at 12lbs to do so then who is anyone to tell me it's "wrong".  To me, everything else about paintball comes second to me enjoying it.  When that stops being the case is the day I stop playing.



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Originally posted by a_sock a_sock wrote:

so you go through 2 thousand rounds? so basically a case. I kind of doubt your also doing 18-20 hours of paintball in 1 day... On a long day I might get 8 in.
Glad to hear your going to use your using barrels above and below the most beneficial range the majority of us hear have advised


Who through a mouse in your shoe? Who are you to tell me how long I'm allowed to play anyway? When I play paintball, I play paintball. We usually start at nine or ten and go till afterdark. I've even been in a few overnighters. And I never specified the length of the smaller barrels that I would use. Acording to umm, everyone 14-16" is ideal, and I was planning on using a 14". Plus, I'll probobly buy a Spyder-Tippmann adapter so I can use my 9", 12."

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Originally posted by Robotech Robotech wrote:

If he wants to use a 20" what's wrong with that?  So long as he knows it really is only going to be for looks and he MIGHT get a little quieter shot but he will use more gas then what does it matter if he still chooses to use it. 

I run a 20" barrel on one of my markers...I like the way it makes the marker look.  I get a ton of compliments on it.  Do I think it makes me an uber-sniper?  No.  Do other people think I am...I'm sure.  Do more experianced players think I'm a noob that thinks he's a sniper...I'm pretty positive there are some that do.  However, once people see how I play that kind of understand that I don't think myself as a "sniper".  This past weekend I did have a couple one ball kills from about 150-200 feet away (I was on top of a very tall hill...they were at the bottom...) but that doesn't make me a "sniper" any more than the 20" barrel does. 

Maybe he'll hate how akward it is to manuver a barrel of that length or how it limits his play behind bunkers or maybe he'll love how he can push the barrel past cover and use brush for cover that most player's can't.  It's his call and in the end up to him. 


Yeah but the title of the thread is best sniper marker, and hes asking for accuracy and performance not looks, so the whole 20" barrel thing is not going to fly. If your trying to snap, move, turn your marker to aim past 20 degrees in any direction, want to play tight, want to be able to walk past trees and bushes with ease hes not going to use a 20" barrel. It can alter the markers performance(both good and bad) but it mainly affects your own personal movements.

So how do you play that allows you to do well with a 20" barrel? are you one of those guys who camps or what? the way I play and the crazy shots I can pull off some people say damn your like a sniper with that(droid) because Ive shot peoples barrel tips sticking out, Ive shot 3 balls and had all of them land on a guys head while he was diving into snake, and I almost always get someone off the break. In the woods, Ive got the quietest gun out there, many have rushed on me because they thought i wasnt shooting paint or out of air, and ive put a ball on their face easy.  Many have thought there was no one holding an area but im belly down in thick grass pickign them off one by one without them hearing. At the local woodsball feild on scenario days they have turkey shoots, ive been chosen as a gunner among others while some guy wearing just boxers and a mask runs 100 feet to see if he can get less hits than others doing the event, and Ive actually stoped a guy from finishing because I put too many shots of his lens and he couldnt see anymore(I was using different fill color so I knew it was me), and they also have sniper competetions, basically  an average target, each ring worth points, 5 shots from 125' exactly. a lot of people with big sniper setups with 20" barrels enter, guys with normal sized barrels enter, tippmanns, ions, vices, egos, pretty much every type of gun and I get double the score of almost everyone(lol last event a guy with a spyder and an 18" beat a guy with an ego... i laughed my head off...)

This thread is under which gun is best, and he wants to know what setup will yeild the best accuracy and performance. Get air, a good regulator, and a decent barrel, preferably a kit, within the 12-16" average lenght range. an A5 will do alright for accuracy if you do this, but you have to remember the biggest factor in accuracy is the user, so as long as you can aim comfortably and move easily with whatever barrel you chose you will be fine. You dont want a huge barrel because it will hinder your personal accuracy in many situations(not all, but a large chunk) 
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If he wants to use a 20" what's wrong with that?  So long as he knows it really is only going to be for looks and he MIGHT get a little quieter shot but he will use more gas then what does it matter if he still chooses to use it. 

I run a 20" barrel on one of my markers...I like the way it makes the marker look.  I get a ton of compliments on it.  Do I think it makes me an uber-sniper?  No.  Do other people think I am...I'm sure.  Do more experianced players think I'm a noob that thinks he's a sniper...I'm pretty positive there are some that do.  However, once people see how I play that kind of understand that I don't think myself as a "sniper".  This past weekend I did have a couple one ball kills from about 150-200 feet away (I was on top of a very tall hill...they were at the bottom...) but that doesn't make me a "sniper" any more than the 20" barrel does. 

Maybe he'll hate how akward it is to manuver a barrel of that length or how it limits his play behind bunkers or maybe he'll love how he can push the barrel past cover and use brush for cover that most player's can't.  It's his call and in the end up to him. 

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so you go through 2 thousand rounds? so basically a case. I kind of doubt your also doing 18-20 hours of paintball in 1 day... On a long day I might get 8 in.
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