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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

I'm almost convinced you're a troll now. Do you teach your kids from convservapedia too?

I guess free thinking is too much for your kids to handle anyway. You know, why let them come to their own conclusions, when you already made up their minds for them?


So if you're a conservative, you're not a 'free thinker?'




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Counting down to 2012, survived Carter, will survive Obama. Nough said.


I said the same thing in class today, and everyone freaked out on me.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

I'm almost convinced you're a troll now. Do you teach your kids from convservapedia too?

I guess free thinking is too much for your kids to handle anyway. You know, why let them come to their own conclusions, when you already made up their minds for them?


So if you're a conservative, you're not a 'free thinker?'


No, I was referring to brainwashing your kids with your ideals via homeschooling.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

And I for one am proud to be able to tell my niece that even though she is african american, she too can go after any dream she desires.


Did you not think an African American could aspire to much and chase their dreams before yesterday?

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I don't send my kids to "public" school, because I can do a better job, faster, for less money, and give them a much better education. Plus it allows me to travel whenever I want. I can "school" them anywhere.


You can teach your kids better and faster while running 3 businesses?  You must never sleep.  (Note- not a personal attack, just an obvious statement as to how impossibly full your schedule must be)  For less money?  And here I thought free public education was... free.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


And my favorite thing is the whole "socialism" argument. My kids have tons of friends. And our house is the one where they all want to come to play.

Congrats. But generally, as others have pointed out, home schooled kids are more socially awkward than usual. Also they all probably want to come over and play because your “compound” is wicked awesome.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

As I have spent my time and effort establishing a place where they can have fun, without all of the "secular" influences that come from public education.

So you think schools should embrace sanctioned prayer? What of when the school hires a Muslim teacher? Do you want them leading your kids in prayer to Allah? Do you want a teacher who believes in Odin to lead your kids in prayer? The same could be said of Zeus, Shiva, Thor and FSM. And the reverse is true for those who believe in those gods who send their kids to a predominantly Christian school. Besides, what of Mathew 6:6?

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

My kids can carry on a conversation with anyone, not just kids their own age... They have more respect for others than most of the people who post on this board

Anonymity does wonders for reserved, respectful people who want to speak their minds.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

..and would never use profanity, or dress immodestly...I also don't have to worry about school shootings, or drugs, or alcohol, or cussing, or rude behavior, or lack of respect, or bad grades, or poor grammar, or lazy teachers, or accidents on the way to and from school, or negative peer influence.

Oh man. I can't wait until they get to college. Especially concerning the profanity, dress, drugs, alcohol and rude behavior comments.



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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

I'm almost convinced you're a troll now. Do you teach your kids from convservapedia too?

I guess free thinking is too much for your kids to handle anyway. You know, why let them come to their own conclusions, when you already made up their minds for them?


So if you're a conservative, you're not a 'free thinker?'


No, I was referring to brainwashing your kids with your ideals via homeschooling.


So, if I'm understanding the point here, people who don't agree with a certain viewpoint do not have the right to raise their children in a manner that teaches the specific values of the family those children were born into.?
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Nothing wrong with that, but I often see a lot of whack-job parents indoctrinate their kids with their fringe mindsets. The kids grow up with worldviews strikingly different from the norm and have problems functioning in society.

I guess I'm pretty anti-homeschooling, that's all. I think that kids need to be exposed to a variety of viewpoints, and many times, homeschooling just can't offer that.


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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

I'm almost convinced you're a troll now. Do you teach your kids from convservapedia too?

I guess free thinking is too much for your kids to handle anyway. You know, why let them come to their own conclusions, when you already made up their minds for them?


So if you're a conservative, you're not a 'free thinker?'


No, I was referring to brainwashing your kids with your ideals via homeschooling.


So, if I'm understanding the point here, people who don't agree with a certain viewpoint do not have the right to raise their children in a manner that teaches the specific values of the family those children were born into.?


NO MACK, AS LONG AS THE VIEWS YOU'RE FORCING ONTO KIDS ARE THE OPPOSITE OF BUSH, IT'S FREE THINKING.
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I never said that. Read my posts. Indoctrination of either side is bad.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

drugs, or alcohol, or cussing, or rude behavior, or lack of respect, or bad grades, or poor grammar, or lazy teachers, or accidents on the way to and from school, or negative peer influence

Yeah, I'm "different"...

 


Have you ever seen a kid raised similarly to your own on their own? I see it all the time; parents make them dress a certain way, don't let them express themselves the way they want to, they control their activities, diets, music- anything that makes them an individual, then once they are let loose from their parents, they go ape <crap> because they are finally exposed all at once and completely overwhelmed by the things they where sheltered from all their lives . They don't know how to handle it but want to experience it, and in an attempt to be their own person, they over do it. And it happens all the time with the type of kids that you described raising.

Your raising them in a perfect little world. Once they leave your house and go on their own, they are going to experience all the things you never taught them about. And I would bet money your kid is going to get to college, go to his first real party and be either the idiot passed out in his own puke or the idiot pretending to be drunk off a beer, making himself look like a dumb ass either way- why? Because he has never experienced anything that goes on the real world before, has no idea how to handle a real life situation, and doesn't know his limits.

Just my $.02.


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I don't see how parents think it's okay to close the world off from their children, and only teach them one point of view. An understanding of multiple walks of life is required in today's society in order to be successful. To do anything other than that is plain foolish.
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Originally posted by TheDude TheDude wrote:

I don't see how parents think it's okay to close the world off from their children, and only teach them one point of view. An understanding of multiple walks of life is required in today's society in order to be successful. To do anything other than that is plain foolish.


True. However, in FE's defense, he did say that he talks to his kids about issues from perspectives other than his own and lets them decide what their view is. I don't doubt that he promotes his beliefs heavily but as long as he presents the facts and shares other views then that's fine. Also, while home schooling does tend to socially cripple some, it isn't true for all. You can home school your child and still let them go out and get involved in sports or other activities to meet people and socialize. The chances of his kids being socially inept are higher due to the fact that they don't go to public schools but I don't think it's right to assume that this is the case.
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Originally posted by notXXscared notXXscared wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

drugs, or alcohol, or cussing, or rude behavior, or lack of respect, or bad grades, or poor grammar, or lazy teachers, or accidents on the way to and from school, or negative peer influence

Yeah, I'm "different"...

 


Have you ever seen a kid raised similarly to your own on their own? I see it all the time; parents make them dress a certain way, don't let them express themselves the way they want to, they control their activities, diets, music- anything that makes them an individual, then once they are let loose from their parents, they go ape <crap> because they are finally exposed all at once and completely overwhelmed by the things they where sheltered from all their lives . They don't know how to handle it but want to experience it, and in an attempt to be their own person, they over do it. And it happens all the time with the type of kids that you described raising.

Your raising them in a perfect little world. Once they leave your house and go on their own, they are going to experience all the things you never taught them about. And I would bet money your kid is going to get to college, go to his first real party and be either the idiot passed out in his own puke or the idiot pretending to be drunk off a beer, making himself look like a dumb ass either way- why? Because he has never experienced anything that goes on the real world before, has no idea how to handle a real life situation, and doesn't know his limits.

Just my $.02.

 

Actually, think about what you are saying. Take a kid, that has not developed any sense of "character" or even personality yet. And throw them in with 20-25 other kids. And "that" teaches them proper respect, and gives them a "full" understanding of the world.

More like, causes permanent psychological scars...

My wife (who has her degree in psychology) as well as any other mental health professional would argue with that logic. Putting kids into an enviroment "makes" them into what they become. You can put your kids in with all the crack babies, and kids of people like "the dude," and "Benjichang" if you want. For the majority of the day. Just don't be surprised when they turn out different from you...

Most of the "issues" that people have to deal with today, come from school. And the education is poor... Look at any forum for proof of this fact. The inability to use logic, or to even consider any "different" view, not to mention the huge assumptions that people make without having lived it. Not to mention the inability to respect someone with faith.

You have one shot at raising kids. I for one want to do it right. My kids have character. They don't lie, cheat, steal, cuss, or degrade others.

Its quite nice actually. And the reason after work, you never hear from me... I'm at home playing with my kids. Something most "families" don't do anymore. We sit down as a family for almost every dinner (usually made from scratch). We spend the weekends together. I enjoy spending time with them, as much as they enjoy spending time with me. I even read to them almost every night for at least 30 minutes...

Yes, home schooling isn't for everyone. For one, its expensive. Two, your spouse has to stay home, so you have to be able to budget to be able to afford it. Three, its hard, sending your kids to have 20-25 other kids "baby sit" them each day is much easier. And most of the teachers that would get your kids are fresh out of school, and don't have kids of their own...

For our family its a better choice. And that is what America is about, Freedom to choose our education. I wouldn't dream of sending my kids to a super liberal school. Why would I? The person they marry is likely to be met at school, and I for one, (as would they) hope they marry someone with the same moral fiber as they have. Otherwise, their life would probably have unnecessary heartache.

I grew up in a super religious home. I know what that is like, and I know the rebellion that comes with that, (one of my good friends was Spike Jonze, who used my crazy streak as the inspiration to start a popular tv and film series that I am sure you have heard of.) as I lived it. I would never put my kids through the same type of thing, so I give them lots of choices. And tell them about the choices I made and the outcome of them.

Your choices make your life. As to the comment about how busy I am...

"The more things you do, the more you can do."

I turned Pro in BMX by the time I was 18, I traveled all over this great country. While I was working three jobs, and going to high school. In college, I worked in the film industry on major motion pictures, I also worked full time selling high end video gear all over Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas, and made enough money to pay for my college... Where I was taking 20-24 hours a semester...

Life is all about choices. I choose to use the time God gave me wisely. And according to the Bible, He will bless me for that.

And He has. Why would I throw my children (the best blessing I have) to be raised by an education system with a secular humanistic approach?



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How about we let people raise their kids how they want to?

Maybe it's not the way some of you would do it, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong.   
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Originally posted by PaiNTbALLfReNzY PaiNTbALLfReNzY wrote:

How about we let people raise their kids how they want to?

Maybe it's not the way some of you would do it, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong.   


That's the most intelligent thing I've seen in this entire thread.




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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

I often see a lot of whack-job parents indoctrinate their kids with their fringe mindsets. The kids grow up with worldviews strikingly different from the norm and have problems functioning in society. I guess I'm pretty anti-homeschooling, that's all. I think that kids need to be exposed to a variety of viewpoints, and many times, homeschooling just can't offer that.


Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:


I think that kids need to be exposed to a variety of viewpoints, and many times, homeschooling just can't offer that.




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then once they are let loose from their parents, they go ape <crap> because they are finally exposed all at once and completely overwhelmed by the things they where sheltered from all their lives . They don't know how to handle it but want to experience it, and in an attempt to be their own person, they over do it. And it happens all the time with the type of kids that you described raising.Your raising them in a perfect little world. Once they leave your house and go on their own, they are going to experience all the things you never taught them about. And I would bet money your kid is going to get to college, go to his first real party and be either the idiot passed out in his own puke or the idiot pretending to be drunk off a beer, making himself look like a dumb ass either way- why? Because he has never experienced anything that goes on the <span style="font-style: italic;">real</span> world before, has no idea how to handle a real life situation, and doesn't know his limits. Just my $.02.




Originally posted by TheDude TheDude wrote:

I don't see how parents think it's okay to close the world off from their children, and only teach them one point of view. An understanding of multiple walks of life is required in today's society in order to be successful. To do anything other than that is plain foolish.


those are all very valid points - and i know homeschooling very well, having been homeschooled myself on and off, and having gone to a youth group for many years coming in contact with well upwards of 100 homeschooled kids.

however, as pointed out, while the generilization holds, its not ALWAYS true, kids who have outside activities (sports, music, whatever - as long as they arent all homeschool specific activities) most the time end up turning out pretty level headed.

i'm not against homeschooling, but i do think that many people do a very poor job of educating thier children about society when they do it.

and on a personal note - i greatly prefered homeschooling over both public and private schools.
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LOL ur kids r gon be socially inept, gg
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LOL ur kids r gon be socially inept, gg


So THAT'S what irony looks like.

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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by PaiNTbALLfReNzY PaiNTbALLfReNzY wrote:

How about we let people raise their kids how they want to?

Maybe it's not the way some of you would do it, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong.   


That's the most intelligent thing I've seen in this entire thread.




Same.
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