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Eville
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 11:50am |
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i can. he is clearly high.
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carl_the_sniper
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 11:54am |
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Saying that evolution is true =/= saying that humans came from monkeys.
Evolution IS a fact. |
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oldpbnoob
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 12:04pm |
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What are you basing that on? Hundreds of thousands of fossils and collected evidence or some book magically dictated by an unseen, but omnipotent being? |
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ParielIsBack
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 12:06pm |
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Not true. Evolution is a theory. A theory most people in 1st world countries believe, that I personally believe, but a theory nonetheless. Just like creationism is a theory. |
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Bruce Banner
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 12:19pm |
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Yep. Just like "The Secret" is a theory, Newtonian physics is a (set of) theory, the 9/11 conspiracy is a theory, and general relativity is a theory. Not all theories are created equal.
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JohnnyHopper
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 12:55pm |
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So then theories are like the intellectual's bung hole? |
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ParielIsBack
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 12:58pm |
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Meh. I think there is still a lot of work to do on the specifics of evolution, that's all that theory means. I don't count out the Biblical description of creation though. I don't necessarily think that one precludes the other, as do most Christians. |
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adrenalinejunky
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:07pm |
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i wouldnt say that is entirely true, somethings will remain theories for the simple fact that they cannot be fully proven, and barring some sort of time viewing or time travel, the theory of evolution is one of those.
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mbro
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:08pm |
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Hell, gravity is still a "theory" but only the intelligent falling crowd debates that one. Edited by mbro - 03 November 2008 at 1:16pm |
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Bruce Banner
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:16pm |
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Actually, you have that backwards. From a scientific perspective, a "theory" is something that has lots and lots of evidence supporting it. Without the evidence, it is merely a "hypothesis." The theory of evolution is about as well-proven as any other scientific theory - period. Far more well-proven, for instance, than the theory of gravity that most people seem to take for granted. From a literal perspective, no scientific theory is ever "fact" - but at some point theories become so well-proven that we can treat them as fact. Evolution passed that threshold decades ago. EDIT - Dammit, mbro! Edited by Bruce Banner - 03 November 2008 at 1:16pm |
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Mack
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:22pm |
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Gravity shmavity. When I fall, it is the invisible hand of God pulling me down. ![]()
Darn. There goes my dream of getting hired on as a Jack-booted thug for the liberal-elitest establishment. Edited by Mack - 03 November 2008 at 1:24pm |
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:24pm |
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I always said that the white man's god is keeping the brothas down.
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mbro
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:33pm |
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w00t, beat bruce in a science debate post.
MBro: 1 Bruce: ∞ |
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adrenalinejunky
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:36pm |
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i disagree - i didnt say there wasnt a large quantity of evidence concerning evolution, what i am saying is that since we are talking about the past, there really is no way to test or "prove" what did happen exactly, until such point that recorded history would allow us the perspective to witness the indications of such evolution. even then we couldnt say for absolute fact what happened before recorded history, though it would seem a little foolish, even to me, as someone who is not sold on evolution, to try to deny it at that point. to summarize, proving is something that requires testing, and testing is something that cant be done when the question is "what happened in the past?" and mbro- intelligent falling is a spoof making fun of intelligent design, and anybody who cant get past the sarcasm of its orriginators should just stay as far away from science as possible :) Edited by adrenalinejunky - 03 November 2008 at 1:37pm |
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mbro
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:40pm |
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Edited by mbro - 03 November 2008 at 1:41pm |
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adrenalinejunky
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:43pm |
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eh, guess its not my day for sarcasm detection :)
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Bruce Banner
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:44pm |
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This is certainly true - hence my point about "fact" in the literal sense of the word. Science never proves anything to certainty. But science can, and does, show us that one explanation is far more likely than any other explanation - and this is what evolution is. Any scientific theoretician will admit that we do not literally "know for a fact" that evolutionary theory is correct - but, frankly, the same can be said for a bunch of other things that we think we "know." Evolution is, however, far and above the best explanation we have, and it has been backed up by such massive volumes of evidence that we can safely act on the belief that it is correct. Life or death decisions are made every day upon far less evidence than we have for evolutionary theory. On a side note - you are far too focused on "the past." Science does not divide into past and future, but into known and unknown. Sometimes the past is known and the future unknown, and sometimes the opposite is true. Just because we "weren't there to see it" does in no way mean that we cannot gain a great degree of certainty about it. Does anybody doubt that the civil war happened, for instance? |
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oldpbnoob
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 1:59pm |
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Fixed before you get the wrath of the Christian right after you.
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adrenalinejunky
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 2:00pm |
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part of my pre-ocupation with that in particular, is largely due to the fact that i have major issues with what some scientists claim we can determine about the past, or one of a great many other things for that matter, i'm all for studying and learning about things, but have my issues with some of the evidence and conclusions that are drawn from them being layed out "as fact"
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Bruce Banner
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 2:06pm |
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Scientists are working stiffs too. They get carried away with their work and forget the theoretical underpinnings. It can be annoying as heck to have somebody claim absolute knowledge of anything, but the validity of the science is, of course, unaffected by their obnoxiousness. |
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