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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7559252.stm

On a related note, it looks like we'll be sending troops there to deliver aid.
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canadas sending money. 1.5 million for the refugees
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Originally posted by im_new im_new wrote:

canadas sending money. 1.5 million for the refugees


thats a lot of canadian bacon
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Originally posted by im_new im_new wrote:

canadas sending money. 1.5 million for the refugees

What is that, like two million in real money?

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Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by im_new im_new wrote:

canadas sending money. 1.5 million for the refugees


What is that, like two million in real money?







Edited by PaiNTbALLfReNzY - 13 August 2008 at 1:56pm
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Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by im_new im_new wrote:

canadas sending money. 1.5 million for the refugees


What is that, like two million in real money?



I'd just like to know what they expect $2mil to do...
That's a pretty small sum when we're talking about rebuilding a decent chunk of a country.
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Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by im_new im_new wrote:

canadas sending money. 1.5 million for the refugees


What is that, like two million in real money?



I'd just like to know what they expect $2mil to do...
That's a pretty small sum when we're talking about rebuilding a decent chunk of a country.


It's Canada we're talking about here.

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I don't know why you guys are making a joke about canadian capitol. It Outweighs our dollar by 6 cents right now...so...that 1.5 is still more than ours.  Jokes on us.
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i thought they were gonna buy bacon with it.... everybody loves bacon..... i want bacon now....

poland latvia estonia lithuania and ukriane are all talking with georgia now and condemning russia.. they probably think they are next
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Originally posted by unvolution unvolution wrote:

i thought they were gonna buy bacon with it.... everybody loves bacon..... i want bacon now....

poland latvia estonia lithuania and ukriane are all talking with georgia now and condemning russia.. they probably think they are next

If Russia keeps up it's attack momentum...

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LETS INVADE RUSSIA!
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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

LETS INVADE RUSSIA!


This is the United States of the World, <woops>.

Can't say that apparently...

Edited by Bunkered - 13 August 2008 at 2:51pm
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Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

I don't know why you guys are making a joke about canadian capitol. It Outweighs our dollar by 6 cents right now...so...that 1.5 is still more than ours.  Jokes on us.

I was going to ask the same thing.
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Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

I don't know why you guys are making a joke about canadian capitol. It Outweighs our dollar by 6 cents right now...so...that 1.5 is still more than ours.  Jokes on us.

I was going to ask the same thing.

I think you guys need to read slower...

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Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

I don't know why you guys are making a joke about canadian capitol. It Outweighs our dollar by 6 cents right now...so...that 1.5 is still more than ours.† Jokes on us.
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Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Numbers don't mean much in modern warfare Tallen.

While your Coping and Pasting Google up how effective the massive Chinese charges where effective against Marines in Korea.

How one Division Surrounded was able to Fight back to the Sea with their equipment and wounded from the Chosin Reservoir.

How how under 300,000 troops where able to Invade a Country with the 4th Largest land Army at the Time and Obliterate them?

Modern war is 60% won from the Sky now days. With the new F-22 and JSF as well as the reorganization and reshuffling the US Navy is going under now days. And our advances in weapons such as the new Airborne Lazer and other killing machines. Now our soldiers will be linked and better armored I really don't see what some Conscripts that most don't have rifles who will get the hand me down type 56's once most of china's army upgrades to the type 56 bullpup rifle they developed and I hardly see a reason to shudder.


Now, this just shows where you haven't been reading the entire thread EE. I thoroughly understand the importance of Air Superiority in modern warfare. I mention it multiple times in this thread in dealing with the fact that the Russians have been unable to maintain A/S over Georgia. However, air power, as important as it is, cannot win a war by itself. We tried that multiple times over the past half-century, and while it is important to the success of troops on the ground, and absolutely vital when facing a force of superior numbers, it isn't the end-all-be-all that the USAF and Navy would love you to believe it is.

The issue with A/S and the Chinese, however, is that they are rapidly catching up to the US when it comes to airframe and avionic technology. While they can't match the full capabilities of the F-22, they're going to get very very close in a reasonable amount of time. While the Chinese may not have the best and brightest innovators working for them right now, they have one of the best espionage systems in the world. They don't need to come up with technology independently, they just steal it. They did it for the "bomb" why not for our stealth technology.

Do I think war is imminent with the PRC? No, nor did I say so. What is clear is that someday, the two biggest guys on the block are going to duke it out. We did it by proxy with Russia in Afghanistan and got lucky that the country bankrupted itself fighting that war. China won't make the same mistakes. They've been in more wars than we could even imagine and aren't going to make the same mistakes as the "new guys" like the US and Russia can and do.

As for the Chosin Reservoir being a shining example of US superiority. There were plenty of German battalions that made it out of the pockets in Russia after being surrounded by the Red Army back in WWII. It didn't mean that German ability was any better than Russian numbers. It is silly to assume that better technology or morale is superior to overwhelming numbers. While on an individual or small-unit scale it might, on the global level of warfare, larger numbers + massive materiel always win.
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Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

I don't know why you guys are making a joke about canadian capitol. It Outweighs our dollar by 6 cents right now...so...that 1.5 is still more than ours.† Jokes on us.
I was going to ask the same thing.


I think you guys need to read slower...



I second Rambino.

Pssst... Hey! The USD is $.06 STRONGER than the CAD.
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You guys trying to argue air strength and the superiority of the F-22, should probably do a little digging into the projected advances of the Suqhoi or the Terminator variations of the Su-37's and it's probable descendants.  We don't control the skies as effectively as we like to pretend.
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Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

I don't know why you guys are making a joke about canadian capitol. It Outweighs our dollar by 6 cents right now...so...that 1.5 is still more than ours.  Jokes on us.


lol really

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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

You guys trying to argue air strength and the superiority of the F-22, should probably do a little digging into the projected advances of the Suqhoi or the Terminator variations of the Su-37's and it's probable descendants.† We don't control the skies as effectively as we like to pretend.


That was my point exactly USAF.

Not only are the Chinese online with 100+ J-11's, they have currently started taking delivery of their JF-17 which has many of the same passive-stealth characteristics of the F-35 JSF that EE was touting in his "modern warfare" post. Even their JH-7 supersonic bomber can dominate compaired with our B-1 fleet which we're going to have to rely on a lot more with the B-2 fleet aging rapidly. Their J-10 can go up against anything we've got outside of the F-22 and the J-11's would be almost on par with them as they are essentially Chinese-produced Su-30's.

The shoddy selection process that the US military has used for the past 40 years which favors kick-backs and cost over performance and innovation is going to bite us in the ass before long.
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