Georgia under Russian attack...

Brian Fellows wrote: It looks like Georgian government websites are being DDoSed.

I'd rather suspect that it's more a factor of bombing command and control resources.

tallen702 wrote: That's what really makes me question this scenario. Putin obviously isn't happy with the drop in oil futures. That means less money funneled into Gazprom's funds and thus less money funneled to him. I wouldn't put it past him to be pulling a Dub-ya just to line his own pockets.

Which would be no money then?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but considering that we get less then half the amount of oil from Iraq then we do from other countries we don't like such as Venezuela, and we haven't invaded them, this whole Iraq war for oil point seems pretty weak to me. Not meaning to derail the thread.

That being said this is beginning to look very familiar .

Those are APCs, noob.

JohnnyHopper wrote: Skillet42565 wrote: Those are APCs, noob. No crap... MT-LB's Next you'll be telling me that the Georgian tank is really a "cow".

Actually, the first couple are BMP's.


But anyhow, I'm surprised at the lack of coverage on the major news stations. I've seen more reports on Edwards affair then the conflict.

Conspiracy by the Dem's to make the world look peaceful? /sarcasm

Evil Elvis wrote: karll wrote: agentwhale007 wrote: One of the best movies evar. Word, and best Swayzee movie ever.

what movie is this?

Red Dawn was a terrible movie.

Or is that the joke?

unvolution wrote: im comfused now... i was looking up the conflict and this says georgia started it.... anyone else wanna indulge me with more information?

Georgia invaded the semi-autonomous region of South Ossetia in response to their further attempts to secede and re-join the province of North Ossetia which is currently a member of the Russian Federation. Essentially North and South Ossetia were autonomous oblasts within the USSR. South Ossetia was an autonomous oblast in Georgian SSR until the breakup of the Soviet Union back in '89/'90. When the breakup occurred, Georgia retained the territory of South Ossetia and decided to withdraw from the USSR and thus remain separate from the Russian Federation which is essentially made up of all the former autonomous oblasts outside of Russia proper that decided not to strike out on their own and continue to suckle at Moscow's teat.

The Ossetians are linguistically different from Georgians (who in turn are linguistically different from Russians) though almost all other racial markers have been erased over time due to the forced resettlement programs of the post-war USSR.

Georgia is very anti-Russian due to the fact that the USSR essentially sacked and raped their country for use as a resort for high-ranking NKVD/KGB officers as well as members of the Kremlin. After the division of the USSR in '89/'90, Georgia went back to using their own language (including their own alphabet) as the official language of the country. The South-Ossetians, on the other hand, are Russophiles and wish to rejoin the old USSR in it's new form of the Russian Federation. The two factions within Georgia have been at war since the break up and the recent increase in hostilities were a result of Georgia responding to further secession movements by the South Ossetians such as their acceptance of Russian National Passports for every South Ossetian citizen. Essentially they told Georgia to go screw themselves, they were "Russian" now that they had the passports.

Russia is increasingly interested in regaining the land as it is rich in oil and offers and even closer route to the black-sea for the exportation of it's rich oil and natural gas wealth. Hence, Putin and Medvedev are more than happy to aid them in secession.

What I have found interesting is that the Ossetians and the Russians continually state that "Ossetia" was a "Country" prior to the formation of the USSR. However, the land which the South Ossetians claim as theirs has been Georgian land from 1008AD through 1802 when the Russian Empire brought it's ally into the fold during the Caucasus War with Persia.

As far as whoever it was that questioned my statement about "Pulling a Dubya" Oil is the case in this current conflict between Georgia and Russia. In Iraq, Dubya, Cheney, and all their friends lined their pockets with contract work. Anyone who says it was a war for oil is an idiot. It was a war to destroy a country that would need to be re-built.

Georgia has no strategic use for crude oil. If the Russians were just hitting refineries and fuel storage, that would be one thing, but they're severing every possible manner in which the Georgians can produce and ship oil right now.

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They've also been hitting container ships owned by independent companies, not military targets. They're hitting civilian targets to throw the country into economic ruin for wanting to play for our team instead of the old Warsaw Pact group. They don't want a NATO friendly potential missile shield site right to their south. The Easiest path to Moscow is the North-South access afforded by Georgia. Georgia's northern mountains also act as a natural defense against counter-attack.

Apparently the Russians are now pretty much lobbing SRBMs (Short Range Ballistic Missiles) into Georgia. Not much worse than a bombing run or Katyusha rocket-fire, but it makes me believe that the Georgian claims of downing 5 Russian fighter-bombers are more accurate than the Russians are letting on. It's better to strategically bomb a target or use directed artillery fire than to use SRBMs to take it down. Accuracy for one reason, payload for another. Something tells me that the Georgian AAA defenses are to be reckoned with. Time for me to go look up their AAA systems in 'Janes'.

Edit:

Having looked at the Georgian Air Defense units, it is completely possible that they knocked down a few Russian Air frames. They've got a lot of radar guided mobile missile launching systems and from the pictures I've seen, the Russians are using older MiG airframes that are susceptible to older radar guided SAM systems. Not one Sukhoi in the pictures I've seen.

I'm just waiting for Putin/Medvedev to launch off one of their SS/25 IRBMs and go "oops!" as they vaporize a quarter of Tbilisi.

Edited by tallen702 - 10 August 2008 at 12:00am

Well the Russians aren't the big spenders they where back in the 80's. While Russian federation forces are in a modernization process, their arms are still pretty much ineffective for a conventional war.

Same with their anti-tank missiles and guns Tallen... they've apparently knocked out quite a few T's.


Gotta love seeing our training in action.