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Styro, I'm not sure I follow that logic. When the CO2 inters the marker under ideal conditions (with the exception of markers requiring a siphon tank), the CO2 is in a gaseous state. As a gas, it's pressure can be controlled, or regulated. And that's what a regulator is there to do, control the pressure of the gas entering it and improve its consistency by doing so. What makes CO2 difficult to regulate is when liquid enters the marker. That's what makes the Stabilizer so good with CO2. It has a valve built in to bleed off excess pressure when the pressure the Stab was set at is exceeded.

The way I see it, CO2 is perfectly regulatable.
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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Styro, I'm not sure I follow that logic. When the CO2 inters the marker under ideal conditions (with the exception of markers requiring a siphon tank), the CO2 is in a gaseous state. As a gas, it's pressure can be controlled, or regulated. And that's what a regulator is there to do, control the pressure of the gas entering it and improve its consistency by doing so. What makes CO2 difficult to regulate is when liquid enters the marker. That's what makes the Stabilizer so good with CO2. It has a valve built in to bleed off excess pressure when the pressure the Stab was set at is exceeded.

The way I see it, CO2 is perfectly regulatable.
hmm..  i stand corrected.

But still, regs on entry level markers will never happen.
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I thought it was odd when co2 entered my tippmann and stab. The guage would first be at about 550psi and it slowly climbed up in pressure after not firing the gun. Of course this was when I used co2. Even with my regulated co2, the gun still built up the pressure it takes to do some serious harm.

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Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:


Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Styro, I'm not sure I follow that logic. When the CO2 inters the marker under ideal conditions (with the exception of markers requiring a siphon tank), the CO2 is in a gaseous state. As a gas, it's pressure can be controlled, or regulated. And that's what a regulator is there to do, control the pressure of the gas entering it and improve its consistency by doing so. What makes CO2 <span style="font-style: italic;">difficult </span>to regulate is when liquid enters the marker. That's what makes the Stabilizer so good with CO2. It has a valve built in to bleed off excess pressure when the pressure the Stab was set at is exceeded.The way I see it, CO2 is perfectly regulatable.
hmm..  i stand corrected.But still, regs on entry level markers will never happen.


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Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I thought it was odd when co2 entered my tippmann and stab. The guage would first be at about 550psi and it slowly climbed up in pressure after not firing the gun. Of course this was when I used co2. Even with my regulated co2, the gun still built up the pressure it takes to do some serious harm.

That sounds like you may have a problem with your Stabilizer.  I know with my marker I haven't had to touch my velocity adjustment screw in years and it shoots very consistantly on CO2.

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Originally posted by Robotech Robotech wrote:

Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I thought it was odd when co2 entered my tippmann and stab. The guage would first be at about 550psi and it slowly climbed up in pressure after not firing the gun. Of course this was when I used co2. Even with my regulated co2, the gun still built up the pressure it takes to do some serious harm.

That sounds like you may have a problem with your Stabilizer.  I know with my marker I haven't had to touch my velocity adjustment screw in years and it shoots very consistantly on CO2.

It's just that the airflow only goes one way with the stab. Anyways, with 1 shot, the psi goes back to the setting I had it set for.

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Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:


Originally posted by Robotech Robotech wrote:

Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I thought it was odd when co2 entered my tippmann and stab. The guage would first be at about 550psi and it slowly climbed up in pressure after not firing the gun. Of course this was when I used co2. Even with my regulated co2, the gun still built up the pressure it takes to do some serious harm.


That sounds like you may have a problem with your Stabilizer. I know with my marker I haven't had to touch my velocity adjustment screw in years and it shoots very consistantly on CO2.

It's just that the airflow only goes one way with the stab. Anyways, with 1 shot, the psi goes back to the setting I had it set for.


The only way I can imagine this happening would be if you were holding your marker downwards, so liquid CO2 was going down the line, then getting into the reg.

Or am I wrong? Is CO2 cold enough when you're shooting that it heats up a lot when you're just standing around?
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That's kind of what I'm thinking Pariel...like there is a problem with the Stabilizer like a small leak internally that's causing the pressure creep.
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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:


Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Styro, I'm not sure I follow that logic. When the CO2 inters the marker under ideal conditions (with the exception of markers requiring a siphon tank), the CO2 is in a gaseous state. As a gas, it's pressure can be controlled, or regulated. And that's what a regulator is there to do, control the pressure of the gas entering it and improve its consistency by doing so. What makes CO2 <span style="font-style: italic;">difficult </span>to regulate is when liquid enters the marker. That's what makes the Stabilizer so good with CO2. It has a valve built in to bleed off excess pressure when the pressure the Stab was set at is exceeded.The way I see it, CO2 is perfectly regulatable.
hmm..  i stand corrected.But still, regs on entry level markers will never happen.


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The ion is a mid level marker, no entry level player is going to know how to care for the ions needs. I have been playing for a while now and not even I am fully aware of what maintenance it needs.
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Originally posted by Pariel Pariel wrote:

Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:


Originally posted by Robotech Robotech wrote:

Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I thought it was odd when co2 entered my tippmann and stab. The guage would first be at about 550psi and it slowly climbed up in pressure after not firing the gun. Of course this was when I used co2. Even with my regulated co2, the gun still built up the pressure it takes to do some serious harm.


That sounds like you may have a problem with your Stabilizer. I know with my marker I haven't had to touch my velocity adjustment screw in years and it shoots very consistantly on CO2.

It's just that the airflow only goes one way with the stab. Anyways, with 1 shot, the psi goes back to the setting I had it set for.


The only way I can imagine this happening would be if you were holding your marker downwards, so liquid CO2 was going down the line, then getting into the reg.

Or am I wrong? Is CO2 cold enough when you're shooting that it heats up a lot when you're just standing around?
Yah, all that happens is the co2 warms up. Even when using HPA, pressure on my other guns creeps up due to the heat building up.

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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:


Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Styro, I'm not sure I follow that logic. When the CO2 inters the marker under ideal conditions (with the exception of markers requiring a siphon tank), the CO2 is in a gaseous state. As a gas, it's pressure can be controlled, or regulated. And that's what a regulator is there to do, control the pressure of the gas entering it and improve its consistency by doing so. What makes CO2 <span style="font-style: italic;">difficult </span>to regulate is when liquid enters the marker. That's what makes the Stabilizer so good with CO2. It has a valve built in to bleed off excess pressure when the pressure the Stab was set at is exceeded.The way I see it, CO2 is perfectly regulatable.
hmm..  i stand corrected.But still, regs on entry level markers will never happen.


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The ion is a mid level marker, no entry level player is going to know how to care for the ions needs. I have been playing for a while now and not even I am fully aware of what maintenance it needs.


The ion is definately entry level.

It has entry level performance and features and anyone can learn to maintain any marker properly.
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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:


Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Styro, I'm not sure I follow that logic. When the CO2 inters the marker under ideal conditions (with the exception of markers requiring a siphon tank), the CO2 is in a gaseous state. As a gas, it's pressure can be controlled, or regulated. And that's what a regulator is there to do, control the pressure of the gas entering it and improve its consistency by doing so. What makes CO2 <span style="font-style: italic;">difficult </span>to regulate is when liquid enters the marker. That's what makes the Stabilizer so good with CO2. It has a valve built in to bleed off excess pressure when the pressure the Stab was set at is exceeded.The way I see it, CO2 is perfectly regulatable.
hmm..  i stand corrected.But still, regs on entry level markers will never happen.


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The ion is a mid level marker, no entry level player is going to know how to care for the ions needs. I have been playing for a while now and not even I am fully aware of what maintenance it needs.


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Originally posted by xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx xXK1CK1NVV1NGXx wrote:


Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:


Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Styro, I'm not sure I follow that logic. When the CO2 inters the marker under ideal conditions (with the exception of markers requiring a siphon tank), the CO2 is in a gaseous state. As a gas, it's pressure can be controlled, or regulated. And that's what a regulator is there to do, control the pressure of the gas entering it and improve its consistency by doing so. What makes CO2 <span style="font-style: italic;">difficult </span>to regulate is when liquid enters the marker. That's what makes the Stabilizer so good with CO2. It has a valve built in to bleed off excess pressure when the pressure the Stab was set at is exceeded.The way I see it, CO2 is perfectly regulatable.
hmm..  i stand corrected.But still, regs on entry level markers will never happen.


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The ion is a mid level marker, no entry level player is going to know how to care for the ions needs. I have been playing for a while now and not even I am fully aware of what maintenance it needs.


The ion is definately entry level.

It has entry level performance and features and anyone can learn to maintain any marker properly.
My general rule is that if it will not run co2 out of the box, it isn't an entry level marker. 
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The Ion runs perfectly fine on CO2.

And let's not forget the WGP Trilogy Competition and Pro. It's regulated. As are the more modern Spyders, and even some VL's. They are all equipped with regs. Albeit, not very good ones, but they are definitely regs, and not x-chambers.


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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

The Ion runs perfectly fine on CO2.

And let's not forget the WGP Trilogy Pro. It's regulated. As are the more modern Spyders, and even some VL's. They are all equipped with regs. Albeit, not very good ones, but they are definitely regs, and not x-chambers.
Let me correct myself.  Unsiphoned co2. 

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so any gun that doesnt thrive on liquid co2 inside of it isnt an entry level marker?
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Yah, all that happens is the co2 warms up. Even when using HPA, pressure on my other guns creeps up due to the heat building up.


Well, that makes sense if it's sitting for a while.

And Ion's are 100% entry level. Used Ions are $100, the new Ion-platform guns from SP (most of which are better than the Ion) are $150-$200.

There are Spyders in the $200-$300 range (VS series I believe), and Spyder only makes entry level markers.
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I've been out of the sport for a while.  I didn't know about the new Spyders and whatnot.  I didn't even know those where regs.
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