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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

I hope it stays illegal. It amuses me to watch regular tokers Cry about it.


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Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

Both my dad and aunt were recovered alcoholics, so any substance that can take an addictive form will. Thats why MJ should be legalized. It isn't addictive or habit forming. It can give addicts a way to cure pain without taking pharmaceuticals. 


While I don't think MJ has the physical addiction, the mental addiction can be just the same.  If the user feels that he/she needs MJ to ease the pain they will keep using (devils advocate)
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While I do agree with that, I believe a physical addiction is much more prevalent than a mental addiction. Being mentally addicted to something...is for lack of better word, retarded.

I mean, not to sound like a Scientologist or anything, but I'm sure you know what I mean.
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Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:


Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

Both my dad and aunt were recovered alcoholics, so any substance that can take an addictive form will. Thats why MJ should be legalized. It isn't addictive or habit forming. It can give addicts a way to cure pain without taking pharmaceuticals.
While I don't think MJ has the physical addiction, the mental addiction can be just the same. If the user feels that he/she needs MJ to ease the pain they will keep using (devils advocate)


To be fair I smoked almost daily a couple months ago. Now I do it once every 2 weeks, if that and I really couldn't care less. I don't even really think about it.
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Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

Both my dad and aunt were recovered alcoholics, so any substance that can take an addictive form will. Thats why MJ should be legalized. It isn't addictive or habit forming. It can give addicts a way to cure pain without taking pharmaceuticals. 


I do enjoy toking myself and do it many times per week personally...but saying it isn't addictive/habit forming is SO untrue. 
I can name 18 (not even an exaggeration, I am dead serious) different people that actually admit they are addicted to it, they smoke at least 5 times a day (usually by themselves) on a regular basis, and get irritable/angry if they don't get it, and it goes as far as they can not sleep unless they have it. 
Half of these people are some of the most unreliable people I have ever met in my entire life, they can not remember anything, pretty much you can say they do not have all of their ducks in a row.  
They all started off saying the same things you do, "it's not habit forming, it's not addictive", but they are pretty far into the habit enough to admit it.


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i think all harmful drugs such as marijuana should stay illegal.



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Originally posted by blackdog144 blackdog144 wrote:

i think all harmful drugs such as marijuana should stay illegal.


Please state specifically how it's harmful.

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Also, do you then think that acetaminophen should be outlawed then, since it can be harmful?

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 Would be nice...
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by blackdog144 blackdog144 wrote:

i think all harmful drugs such as marijuana should stay illegal.


Please state specifically how it's harmful.

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Also, do you then think that acetaminophen should be outlawed then, since it can be harmful?
Good point. The FDA considers any drug to be a dangerous drug.
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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:


Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by blackdog144 blackdog144 wrote:

i think all harmful drugs such as marijuana should stay illegal.


Please state specifically how it's harmful.

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Also, do you then think that acetaminophen should be outlawed then, since it can be harmful?
Good point. The FDA considers any drug to be a dangerous drug.


Even caffeine has its downsides. Heck look at tobacco's pros/ cons list. Legality is hardly an indicator of if something is bad for you or not.
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While I'm not going to add to whether or not it should be legalized, the reason it was made illegal in the first place, was to strengthen the US economy through tobacco, instead of the importation of the already strong opium and marijuana markets coming from Asia.

As far as if it should be legalized or not... I can't say. I don't smoke, and my state's economy relies greatly on the tobacco industry, so who knows.  I'm not an economists, and it doesn't really affect me directly, so it's not my place to take a stand on it.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

While I'm not going to add to whether or not it should be legalized, the reason it was made illegal in the first place, was to strengthen the US economy through tobacco, instead of the importation of the already strong opium and marijuana markets coming from Asia.As far as if it should be legalized or not... I can't say. I don't smoke, and my state's economy relies greatly on the tobacco industry, so who knows. I'm not an economists, and it doesn't really affect me directly, so it's not my place to take a stand on it.


Also, racism was a big player in the decision. Some quotes from anslinger, the man who made marijuana illegal:

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."

"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
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Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

That are addictive and habit forming.



As is marijuana to some people...

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

That are addictive and habit forming.



As is marijuana to some people...

Which would make it a moot point, not a point against. And it's not a physical addiction.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

That are addictive and habit forming.



As is marijuana to some people...

Which would make it a moot point, not a point against. And it's not a physical addiction.


Not only that, but if you choose to deem MJ as a dangerous and addictive (both mentally and physically) then you must also think alcohol is a dangerous substance that shouldn't be legal.

We put harmful things into our bodies every day. The cigs we smoke, the pasteurized milk we drink, the vitamin loaded meat we eat, the alcohol we drink. If you can honestly stand there and say you've never ingested alcohol, non-organic milk or meat, or breathed in cigarette smoke, then I think you have a valid platform to stand on and say "yeah, marijuana is bad". But seeing as we're all guilty of harming our bodies in some way, some of you don't have room to preach and say it's illegal because it's harmful to our bodies. Thats a complete load of tripe.
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Yeah, I've come to terms with the fact that alcohol is terribly bad for me, but I'm ok with that.
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Same. I realize it effs me up. But I still do it. So...you know.

I do believe alcohol is worse for your body than marijuana. We could always slam that one down their throat.
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Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

Same. I realize it effs me up. But I still do it. So...you know.

I do believe alcohol is worse for your body than marijuana. We could always slam that one down their throat.


It's worse for the liver, but at the same time(in moderation) can be beneficial; Ie 1-2 servings of red wine help the heart/cholesterol.  While mj may be good for pain relief, to say that alcohol is "worse" for your body is wrong.  Both in over-use will render the person unconcious, though alcohol CAN be worse.  Still, you have to drink insane amounts of alcohol for that to happen, so you don't exactly have enough to "slam down their throat."
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:


Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

Same. I realize it effs me up. But I still do it. So...you know.I do believe alcohol is worse for your body than marijuana. We could always slam that one down their throat.
It's worse for the liver, but at the same time(in moderation) can be beneficial; Ie 1-2 servings of red wine help the heart/cholesterol. While mj may be good for pain relief, to say that alcohol is "worse" for your body is wrong. Both in over-use will render the person unconcious, though alcohol CAN be worse. Still, you have to drink insane amounts of alcohol for that to happen, so you don't exactly have enough to "slam down their throat."


Sorry, but alcohol IS far worse for you, thats a known fact. There are 75,000 or so alcohol related deaths in the US alone every year.
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