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    Posted: 10 June 2008 at 12:51pm

Political squabbles

Will sink us all

Basically, Democrats won't let the Republicans drill for new Oil, and the Republicans won't let the Democrats tax oil companies to induce heightened imports.

I don't give a rat's hind end what your political views are, both sides are equally moronic in this whole thing. While they bicker over saving the caribou or saving profits, you and I get to sell kidneys to put gas in our cars.

The fun part is, there's no end in sight.

I don't know what my point is, I guess I'm just a little annoyed over the system being designed to fail at our expense.

/angsty political gripe.



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We should drill off shore on those oil fields that other countries are just taking away from us. Why should we just sit back and watch other countries take our oil and then get charged up the butt to buy some.

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Lets just take over the world and be done with it already.
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we need to get the job of the US economy out of the hands of the gobment and polititions and into the privet sector...

FAR to much corruption and bull crap to deal with in the government to actually fix anything

on a side note. i think sooner or later we should just all go out and park our cars in the middle of the street. bring a grille and a cooler and just shut down for a day...

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All we need to do is bomb all the refineries in the world, with the exception of our own.


And make sure it stays that way, similar to nukes.
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The Fed needs to raise interest rates from the basement to give the dollar some value as well. Investors will start leaving oil when the dollar is more solid. 

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Lets not forget the idiotic cap and trade policy that both McCain and Obama are for. I really don't get these morons. How hard is it to understand, the US should drill for its own oil. The US needs nuclear power. We have tons of coal, and shale. We can be energy independent, we can get the economy back on track, what we need is someone who will take a stand and go after this. However we are stuck with dumb and dumber running for president.        &n bsp;   
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Taxing oil companies will do absolutely nothing the lower gas/oil prices. They will do what every corporation does and pass it on to the consumer. Americans need to wake up and look up the meaning of "moderation". Smaller houses, smaller cars and stop expecting to be able to go and buy something that costs $1.00 to build for $.20 at WallyWorld. What we need to boycott is excess.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Taxing oil companies will do absolutely nothing the lower gas/oil prices. They will do what every corporation does and pass it on to the consumer. Americans need to wake up and look up the meaning of "moderation". Smaller houses, smaller cars and stop expecting to be able to go and buy something that costs $1.00 to build for $.20 at WallyWorld. What we need to boycott is excess.


And how do we start? Do you want to be the guy who tells everyone that they can't buy an SUV anymore? or that the house of their dreams isn't practical and they should settle elsewhere? It seems to me that would negate the entire point of what we're trying to do.


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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Taxing oil companies will do absolutely nothing the lower gas/oil prices. They will do what every corporation does and pass it on to the consumer. Americans need to wake up and look up the meaning of "moderation". Smaller houses, smaller cars and stop expecting to be able to go and buy something that costs $1.00 to build for $.20 at WallyWorld. What we need to boycott is excess.


There should be no need to moderate when we have the capability of being almost energy independent. We have tons of coal, and from what I understand there is ways of converting that into liquid fuel. We also have huge areas off the East Coast that can support large wind farms. Of course we also have lots of oil on our own land. There is no need for anyone to tell me I have to drive around in a sub-compact death trap when there is so much un-tapped potential IN our country. If the politicians weren't on big oil's paycheck maybe we wouldn't have such a big problem. There is no way that we can't make alternative fuel(s) when we can land unmanned probes to drill on Mars and everything else we have done.


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our we could all buy hybrids, hydrogen fuel cells cars
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Because I am an elitist and dont mind paying exuberant amounts of money for gas and the other products this effects, I am quite happy with the current gas price situation.

Those who cant afford it, can walk.

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This thread makes my intelligence gland inflamed.
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I just read somewhere in my local a guy in my area took a pickle jar and put  a 2" peice of metal fence post on the outside of a 1 1/2" peice of the same in the jar full of water, and somehow charged it and ran a tube from the jar to the injectors. It breaks the water down and the hydrogen goes in the cylinders. His crown vic gets 55 mpg now. But it looked really simple. 

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Originally posted by paintball437085 paintball437085 wrote:

our we could all buy hybrids, hydrogen fuel cells cars


Thats what they want you to do.... Al Gore has invested heavily in the car companies that produce these cars. He also is pressing on higher gas prices so in turn we would buy the expensive hybrids and in turn he gets a hell of alot of money.
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Rather than look for new places to drill for oil, I think more effort needs to be placed in developing alternate energy sources
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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Rather than look for new places to drill for oil, I think more effort needs to be placed in developing alternate energy sources


The problem with that is, the oil companies will buy the released technology immediately, and sit on it to preserve their profits. I wouldn't be too surprised if that's happening now.

I can't really substantiate this claim, but it would make sense from a tycoon's point of view.

My theory, and there are many holes in it, but it makes me feel better to think that I have an idea.....is to put a price cap on gasoline. Then, when they pitch a huge fit over the loss of profits from rising oil costs, tell the oil companies that every dime they make from backing and marketing alternative fuel sources, they can keep, with a fraction of the taxation they're getting on the profits from gasoline.

Someone, somewhere is going to have to be bought out for this to break. Everyone in a seat of control is making too much money to feel for the common folk.




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Either way, it still sucks for everyone in the short-term I guess. 
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Rather than look for new places to drill for oil, I think more effort needs to be placed in developing alternate energy sources


The problem with that is, the oil companies will buy the released technology immediately, and sit on it to preserve their profits. I wouldn't be too surprised if that's happening now.

I can't really substantiate this claim, but it would make sense from a tycoon's point of view.

My theory, and there are many holes in it, but it makes me feel better to think that I have an idea.....is to put a price cap on gasoline. Then, when they pitch a huge fit over the loss of profits from rising oil costs, tell the oil companies that every dime they make from backing and marketing alternative fuel sources, they can keep, with a fraction of the taxation they're getting on the profits from gasoline.

Someone, somewhere is going to have to be bought out for this to break. Everyone in a seat of control is making too much money to feel for the common folk.


I'm not sure I've ever said this before but....agreed!

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The only reason I can see us not using our oil fields in our country is to preserve them and that way when the other countries are out of oil, we will have supreme power and have a better economy than any other country. But there still is no reason to drill offshore.

I am all for alternative power, but for the application of vehicles, our economy is going down too fast for anyone to be able to purchase a new car that accepts the new fuel.

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