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    Posted: 04 April 2008 at 12:26pm

I live in Canada and recently ordered a bunch of paintball items form the US.  I had the items shipped to Rydens Border Store in Minnesota. Yesterday a friend and myself went went across the border into the US and picked up the packages (he also had paintball gear sent to the border store).  When we came back into Canada and declared our items, the border agent(s) asked to see specifically two items listed on my receipt - the Alpha Black tactical paintball gun, and the flatline barrel for the X7.

They took about 45 mins to an hour investiagting these items and came back with the conclusion that the Alpha Black is a restricted firearm.  The border agent cited the fact that the manual included did not give out the maximum velocity the weapon can fire and also that the paintball gun was a replica of a real gun.  

The explanation for not allowing the barrell was not clear, as no reason was really given except that it was restrcited.

We told the border agents that the items are sold directly in Canada and in Canadian Paintball stores. We were told by the agents that they are NOT sold in Canada and if they were they came here illegally.   

At one point they border agents called the paintball gun an airsoft rifle and made the case that it can fire metal balls and even told us that they could call the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) and have us arrested for being in possesion of the firearm.

My friend and myself are not criminals and nor are we teenagers (we are in our 30's).  We were both taken back by the ignorant attitudes of the agents and the complete disregard for the facts.

We were allowed to return the items to the American Border Store (Rydens), where the items are right now (waiting).  I have a couple of options to proceed to try to get my items back, #1) return the items to where I bought them. #2) make a case for bringing the items through (to Canada permanently) again.

Any thoughts or ideas ? 

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I would just return the items to the original store you purchased them from and buy the products in Canada.

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run through the boarder, shoot them in the face with the paintball gunn.
They will then know its just a paintball gun and let you continue to the
other side with your new gun.

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Umm considering the time, gas money and problems you'll put yourself through getting them accross the border, just buy them in Canada.
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Go to the store, return, and then buy in Canada.
Que pasa?


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smuggle them, duh
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I'll probably end up shipping the items back to where i bought them.  It's too bad because I got the flatline barrel for an unbeatable price.  Canadian prices are very overpriced for paintball gear, I woud rather avoid buying from Canada if I can. 

Thanks for advice.

 

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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

smuggle them, duh
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The Canadian Version of the Alpha Black is called the Bravo One I belive wich is a repackage of the Alpha Black. With the Canadians replica laws being so open for LE to apply their own interpretations I'd would do as stated and buy them from Canadian Distributers.
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Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

The Canadian Version of the Alpha Black is called the Bravo One I belive wich is a repackage of the Alpha Black. With the Canadians replica laws being so open for LE to apply their own interpretations I'd would do as stated and buy them from Canadian Distributers.

Didn't all the mods get Alpha Blacks? If so doesn't that mean that certain individuals have illegal weapons?
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Shoot metal balls at the border patrol.
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Yea, just return them and buy in Canada. 
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The laws suck, I know.

If you fought it, you would probably win though but it may not be worth it.

The alpha black is not magazine fed and I believe that counts for something.

Expect to pay duty out of the wazoo if you piss them off and win.
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The X-7 is not classified as a replica because it fires a projectile, it does however look somewhat like a firearm so they may require red paint on the barrel. I've had many problems with airsoft guns crossing the border. The problem lies in the fact that replicas/airsoft/paintball fall into a grey area, and also borderguards are not properly trained in these subjects. I have myself and many of my old airsoft buddies called the border service on numerous occations to get a firm answer to what will be seized and what will not. We have never been given the same answer twice. We have even talked to higher ranking officials as well. Basically the bottom line is if a border guard believes wrongly or not something is a firearm or replica thay are told to ban it. I was told by an official " National security trumps your stupid hobby." My suggestion to you if you choose to bring paintball accessories across the border, is to check some Canadian airsoft team sites. My understanding is that some have hired lawers and there is some knid of form that sites exact sections of the legal code. Or maybe the guards knew the law and just wanted your marker, there was an issue in an airsoft magazine about an American border guard with more than 500 airsoft guns that he seized from Canadians. He buys them from the dept for a few dollars each.



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Red paint on the barrrel is an American thing only. It doesn't matter in Canada.

There is little to no gray area with airsoft guns, importing them IS illegal.

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Boarder agents are wrong.
In Canada, any air powered 'firearm'(meaning fires a projectile over 500 fps) are all non restricted and only need a regular PAL to own. Even air pistols that are registered are non restricted.

If it was a 'replica' it would be classified under prohibited.

Just suck it up and buy it in Canada. Its retarded that you did not want to pay 130 bucks in Canada for that marker and went to the USA to get it for only a little bit less.

"help help I don't want to spend 130 dollars on a gun so I went to the USA to get it for a few bucks less, although I did spend 60 bucks in gas and 40 dollars in dutys. I sure did get it cheaper"



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Sorry carl but they are not illegal to import, on that point you are wrong.
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Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Shoot metal balls at the border patrol.


Lol yeah metal balls ARE pretty indie.
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Originally posted by White o Light White o Light wrote:

Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Shoot metal balls at the border patrol.


Lol yeah metal balls ARE pretty indie.

Glad you agree.
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Originally posted by notom66866 notom66866 wrote:

Sorry carl but they are not illegal to import, on that point you are wrong.


It is illegal to import the non translucent airsoft rifles. Anything thats opaque is considered prohibited and is a pain in the ass toget into Canada. You need permits and licenses and stuff to import the cool airsoft guns.
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