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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

They should be charged with criminal negligence.
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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

she suffered for some time before she died....I am a parent. I can't understand why any parent would watch their child suffer like that without getting any medical assistance for her. Her diabetes was easily treatable. I hope they do get charged and convicted of neglect and manslaughter.

Cause they've got the jesus, so it's not them being neglectful.
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Originally posted by Snake6. Snake6. wrote:

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

They should be charged with criminal negligence.

Agreed.

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The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said


O...M....G...

I think they should now go to an Insane Asylum.
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Originally posted by <Jeremy> <Jeremy> wrote:

Originally posted by Article Article wrote:


The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said


O...M....G...

I think they should now go to an Insane Asylum.
They just need to find a paladin. Hopefully she didn't release yet.


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I'm diabetic, and I can not even begin to imagine how horrible she must have felt.
The desire for polyester is just to powerful.
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Originally posted by Rottergotterdam Rottergotterdam wrote:

That is true (about the medical studies), but then we look at a lot of the very specific predictions made in the Bible that are non-self fulfilling and see how some of them have come true...it really is interesting. I read a book about it, eh..."Why I believe" (I think is what it is called)

Not to hijack the thread or anything...

But every piece of apologist literature that I have read (which is a fair amount, but does not include the book you mention) suffers from massive logical failure - sometimes to an embarassing level.  The only way these "arguments" work is if the reader has already reached the final conclusion and is just looking to shore up his/her belief.

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Score another for religion!
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Score another for religion!
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Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by Rottergotterdam Rottergotterdam wrote:

That is true (about the medical studies), but then we look at a lot of the very specific predictions made in the Bible that are non-self fulfilling and see how some of them have come true...it really is interesting. I read a book about it, eh..."Why I believe" (I think is what it is called)

Not to hijack the thread or anything...

But every piece of apologist literature that I have read (which is a fair amount, but does not include the book you mention) suffers from massive logical failure - sometimes to an embarassing level.  The only way these "arguments" work is if the reader has already reached the final conclusion and is just looking to shore up his/her belief.

That book, on the argument of logic, my not be a great work of philosophy, but when you read certain parts it's actually kinda of impressive (the part where it shows how different predictions have come true and how some seem to actually contradict one another but how things worked out).

I've already reached the conclusion that...I lose nothing by believing in something that pushed you to be nice, get along, etc.

Edit - So, yes, it wouldn't matter if you were right about it...I wouldn't stop believing unless God came to me and told me He didn't exist, but...that would just be silly.

 

 



Edited by Rottergotterdam - 26 March 2008 at 5:55pm
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Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Why would something so loving refuse to intervene?
We as humans are not on a level where we can explicitly understand every little thing God says and does. I'm a bit curious though, where did you get your impression of God and his love toward his people? I'm not accusing or anything, just wondering.

And if he had intervened, and there was a religious blog about how a girl was cured of diabetes by prayer, would you believe it?


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That's always a great way of explaining it. "If evidence seems to state that something doesn't work, we'll just say that we can't understand what God wants from us, so don't question it."

And no, I wouldn't believe it if someone claimed to be healed by prayer. I'm not stupid. A little insulin might have done the trick however.


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Originally posted by Jack Carver Jack Carver wrote:

Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Why would something so loving refuse to intervene?
We as humans are not on a level where we can explicitly understand every little thing God says and does.

And if he had intervened, and there was a religious blog about how a girl was cured of diabetes by prayer, would you believe it?

Would it have hurt him to send them a sign? Maybe one of their shrubs out in the front yard could have caught fire and told them to go to a doctor.
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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

That's always a great way of explaining it. "If evidence seems to state that something doesn't work, we'll just say that we can't understand what God wants from us, so don't question it."

And no, I wouldn't believe it if someone claimed to be healed by prayer. I'm not stupid. A little insulin might have done the trick however.

We all do what we do. Sometimes, evidence may not point to something...but either way, I find it's worth believing in

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Originally posted by Rottergotterdam Rottergotterdam wrote:

Edit - So, yes, it wouldn't matter if you were right about it...I wouldn't stop believing unless God came to me and told me He didn't exist, but...that would just be silly.

I can certainly respect that.

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Maybe it's just because I'm going into the medical field and currently taking Immunology, Medical Microbiology, OTC's, and Physio, but it seems silly to me to seek a supernatural solution to a physical problem.
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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

They should be charged with criminal negligence.
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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Maybe it's just because I'm going into the medical field and currently taking Immunology, Medical Microbiology, OTC's, and Physio, but it seems silly to me to seek a supernatural solution to a physical problem.

But they have faith. With faith you dont need logic of proof.
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Sometimes, having Faith in something that may not be "logical" is better because it gives me hope. And I think a man without hope is a broken man and when I look at people I consider "broken" I think that honestly...I'd rather be dead. And when you read the Bible, understand what it's saying, a lot of it is good advice.

Edit - And I'm not trying to convert you to my beliefs. Especially over the internet.



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Wow. Talk about downright obnoxious anti-religion bias. 
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