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    Posted: 23 February 2008 at 7:58pm

To whom it may concern (you know who you are):

First article isn't about paintball, but about using methods other than firearms for training purposes, the second is directly related to my comment about paintball being used for military training purposes, I've highlighted the relevant stuff, incase you're feeling lazy:

 

"MILES XXI is a force-on-force training system used by both dismounted infantry and mobile weapon crews to increase combat readiness and fighting effectiveness.

Weapon information


The system uses laser light in the form of pulses to transmit weapon information to a target. These pulses are transmitted each time a weapon is fired. Information contained in the pulses includes the player identification and the type of weapon used. The target entity processes the information to produce a casualty assessment.

The casualty assessment for a dismounted soldier can produce a state of killed or wounded. The casualty assessment for a mobile weapon system can produce several outcomes including catastrophic kill, mobility kill and communication kill. Both dismounted soldiers and mobile- weapon-system platforms are equipped with a laser transmitter and laser receiver
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This was a $134m contract with the US ARMY and has been ongoing since 2001.

furthermore:

MILITARY COMBAT SIMULATIONS

"Simply put, they are training exercises for military personnel that have traditionally used MILES gear
In a Combat Simulation, military personnel are given objectives to complete and be evaluated upon.  Some units spend weeks preparing military personnel training them in the techniques and protocol that they must abide by on the field.  At some point, these military personnel are assessed on their progress.  While there are many benefits to Miles, it does lack the benefit of impact from incoming rounds and limited ammo.  The alternative to using “laser tag” equipment is to use paintball equipment.  

Recent technological advances in paintball equipment allow for a safe, but realistic engagement against OPFORs that gives the participants a richer and more beneficial training experience."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:05pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:08pm
Nice post, the "Regulars" will never change their views.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:15pm
Whats your point? You didn't cite sources or cite units that are using paintball as training?

Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

Nice post, the "Regulars" will never change their views.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

Nice post, the "Regulars" will never change their views.


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Edited by RoboCop - 23 February 2008 at 8:18pm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Whats your point? You didn't cite sources or cite units that are using paintball as training?

Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

Nice post, the "Regulars" will never change their views.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:18pm
I thought he had the same avatar. Or I could be totally out of it right now.

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I think that is a stock avatar..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:24pm
Just another forum member who's been watching for a while and decided to fianally comment. There is a bit of a "click" on here, I just don't agree with everything that's said on this forum. And there are a few members that never have anything good to say but have 10,000posts. Unreal, how does someone aquire 10,000 posts on a forum, not playing much paintball I guess? But that's cool, to each their own.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:27pm
Most forumers on here used to play paintball and they quit for various reasons. This place can be very interesting for non-paintball related topics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:34pm

Well unlike "Most Forumers" here I came to the Tippmann forum to talk about paintball and I still play. I'm pretty sure that's still what business Tippmann is in???

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

Most forumers on here used to play paintball and they quit for various reasons. This place can be very interesting for non-paintball related topics.

Yeah, that and the fact that this incarnation of the forum has been around for about 7 years now. This account has only been around for 6 of those years and I only have an average of 6 posts per day. Thats really not that much.

Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

Well unlike "Most Forumers" here I came to the Tippmann forum to talk about paintball and I still play. I'm pretty sure that's still what business Tippmann is in???



Thoughts and opinions is the Off-Topic Forum. We don't normally talk about paintball in the off-topic forum. There are 7 other sub forums for talking about paintball.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:40pm
I couldn't read it because of the crazy multi-font situation.  Gave me a headache.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:40pm
Except Tippmann doesn't view these forums. And there are plenty of other sections to talk about paintball. Mainly New Players.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:40pm
Well those of us that still play tend to stay in the other forums. Thoughts and opinions is strictly non-paintball topics
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

Well unlike "Most Forumers" here I came to the Tippmann forum to talk about paintball and I still play. I'm pretty sure that's still what business Tippmann is in???

Yes, and the rest of the forum is there for that.  T&O, as you know, has evolved unofficially into an off-topic, and the New Players forum is often used to carry out paintball-related thoughts and opinions.  Okay, so granted its not what it's named, but it is what it is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:46pm

Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

Nice post, the "Regulars" will never change their views.

My first post was non-paintball. And I'm very aware of how things work around here. I've been monitoring for months. For the fist few it was kind of enjoyable, seeing some of the "comments" from one to another, I just figured I'd join in.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:50pm
Just asking, how does your comment about regulars have anything to do with the topic at hand? This thread isn't about views its about fact and fiction.

Also didn't you make that sniper post earlier that got killed before I could even reply? So technically your first post was about paintball and a very sensitive subject at that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:53pm
I too have about 10k posts but I play paintball almost every week. My real post rate is about the same as Snake's.

Regulars do change their opinions for almost everything except politics.

None of us really care of the effect on paintball on military and LE training, so I don't see why we should be weeping.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 8:56pm

Yes my first post was about Snipers and it was killed twice because apparently the subject was so sensitive that it can't be discussed with tact by any "regulars" on this forum, at least that was the reason I was given. I was looking to see what "Gems" nay, comments I would receive, but to no avail I was censored.

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