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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2008 at 11:59pm
He is no better than you, he just wants the aknowledgement that he co-exists. "Camper Bob" is not a sniper, but he does snipe, which in turn would make him a sniper regardless of what you choose to label him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:04am
Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

He is no better than you, he just wants the aknowledgement that he co-exists. "Camper Bob" is not a sniper, but he does snipe, which in turn would make him a sniper regardless of what you choose to label him.


Again shooting from a Concealed Position isnt 'sniping'. If Camper Bob was waiting for the target and the ones he wanted then all he did was Ambush the person.
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To the point of range, in paintball you would be firing a weapon similar to mine with the same effective range. So to compare apples to apples, the LAPD Sniper fring that remington 700 at a target using the same or similar weaponwould be in return fire range, does this not make not a Sniper?
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Shooting from a concealed position is sniping regardless of what the military or law enforcement has adapted it to. They use range and further tools because they have that luxury. On the paintball field we have concealment and if you fire from that concealment without being "made" you have sniped someone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:16am
Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

To the point of range, in paintball you would be firing a weapon similar to mine with the same effective range. So to compare apples to apples, the LAPD Sniper fring that remington 700 at a target using the same or similar weaponwould be in return fire range, does this not make not a Sniper?


Well since your now dodging my replies and grasping at straws here.

The LAPD shooter is a train Military Marksman. Firing a High Power Rifle from a Tacticaly advantegeous Position. He is usuing specialized equipment and is deployed with a specific mission and target.

you Camper Bob doesnt have any specialized equipment other than some estetics on his Marker and some equipment that wasnt designed for the role that he makes himself belive to be. Camper Bob can not escape the Physics of Paintball he is still firing a liquid filled capsule from a smothbore gun. Wich uses Air to propel the capsule at speeds no greater than 280fps (as most fields) and is using the same technology as most of the players that he is playing against.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:18am
Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

Shooting from a concealed position is sniping regardless of what the military or law enforcement has adapted it to. They use range and further tools because they have that luxury. On the paintball field we have concealment and if you fire from that concealment without being "made" you have sniped someone.


What do you base this on? A dictionary?

am·bush      /ˈæmbʊ& #643;/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[am-boosh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Also, am·bush·ment. 1. an act or instance of lying concealed so as to attack by surprise: The highwaymen waited in ambush near the road.
2. an act or instance of attacking unexpectedly from a concealed position.
3. the concealed position itself: They fired from ambush.
4. those who attack suddenly and unexpectedly from a concealed position.
–verb (used with object) 5. to attack from ambush

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:21am
You just said it best, whether "Camper Bob" is a trained marksman or not, his mission is to a eliminate other players and not be eliminated like anyone else on the field, but if he does that from a "Tacticaly advantegeous Position" or fancy for concealed position, regardless of what equipment he uses, he has then sniped you.
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LOL  @ Paintball Snipers
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:23am
Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

You just said it best, whether "Camper Bob" is a trained marksman or not, his mission is to a eliminate other players and not be eliminated like anyone else on the field, but if he does that from a "Tacticaly advantegeous Position" or fancy for concealed position, regardless of what equipment he uses, he has then sniped you.


Once again, by your definition, everyone is a sniper.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:23am
BaldBird are you seriously that thick?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:24am
Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

You just said it best, whether "Camper Bob" is a trained marksman or not, his mission is to a eliminate other players and not be eliminated like anyone else on the field, but if he does that from a "Tacticaly advantegeous Position" or fancy for concealed position, regardless of what equipment he uses, he has then sniped you.

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No he didn't. He ambushed you as described in any Infantry manual. There is a huge difference. Take you head out of the dictionary and look at reality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:25am

So now pull up the def on "Sniper"

1. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

2. To shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed position.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:25am

i'm gone for an hour and 4 pages later... here we are.

i want to see some progress here...

but feel like we might be going in circles. 

i mentioned the use of flatlines, you guys avoided that.. yes many people have them, but most don't and we know most shots from flatlines travel considerably further.  thus proving your return fire idea wrong.  but can you effeciently use a flatline?  probably not. based on the idea that you can shoot someone from further away than they can shoot back, then you're a sniper in some sense of the word.

 



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TEH SNIPAZ EXISTO!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:30am
Originally posted by kungura kungura wrote:

i'm gone for an hour and 4 pages later... here we are.

i want to see some progress here...

but feel like we might be going in circles. 

i mentioned the use of flatlines, you guys avoided that.. yes many people have them, but most don't and we know most shots from flatlines travel considerably further.  thus proving your return fire idea wrong.  but can you effeciently use a flatline?  probably not. based on the idea that you can shoot someone from further away than they can shoot back, then you're a sniper in some sense of the word.

 


Correct but the Flatline doesn't have the accuracy to put a single shot effectively on target. It is better used as a suppression tool.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:31am
An ambush and a snipe sound awfully close to be one. Pretty close to synonomous, so if you can effectively ambush somebody in paintball, then you may effectively snipe somebody in paintball. Or you must explain distinct differences, distance just doesn't hold up.
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This is where all Snipers Debates end. When facts and experience have been laid out and the other party goes to the last weapon in the "pro-sniper" debater the 'I said so'.

I have proven that what you see as Sniping is no more than basic infantry tactics and the 'sniping' is actually Ambushing.

All ambushes are done from Tactically Advanteous Positions. It's done this way so the oponent cant escape the KillZone. Again since you raised all this stink about close mindness and forums 'clicks'. We have presented you with facts and counter points to your side yet your now down to the 'I said its sniping so it its'

as seen in this vehicle ambush the ambushers are in a concealed position overlooking the path of the vehicle convoy. That isnt "sniping" the convoy that is an ambush.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:32am
Originally posted by BaldBird BaldBird wrote:

So now pull up the def on "Sniper"

1. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

2. To shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed position.


You are failing so hard and don't even realize it. EVERY player does this. So is every player a sniper? Shoot, if this was the case the USMC would just go find these fabled "paintball snipers" and enlist them in their sniper program. You could have entire battalions of "snipers".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:34am
Originally posted by kungura kungura wrote:

i'm gone for an hour and 4 pages later... here we are.


i want to see some progress here...


but feel like we might be going in circles. 


i mentioned the use of flatlines, you guys avoided that.. yes many people have them, but most don't and we know most shots from flatlines travel considerably further.  thus proving your return fire idea wrong.  but can you effeciently use a flatline?  probably not. based on the idea that you can shoot someone from further away than they can shoot back, then you're a sniper in some sense of the word.



 



I use a Flatline on my A-5 they are no where near as Acurate to do any kind of Sniping. Neither is my Apex. The best thing of the Flatline is the "Standoff" Range that it gives you when you fire a burst into a oponent group while at max distance the paintballs are easily avoided they will break hence keeping the oponents at bay. This is more a kin to what I did with my Machine Gun when i was with a Fast Attack Vehicle Platoon.

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