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mp5s seem perfect

Reb Cpl wrote: I don't know what all the ruckus is about an MP5. I hated it.

It all began with this SAS raid into an Embassy...

that's an old school red dot. Back in the 1980's

As was I. I was in Kindergarden in 1980.

Evil Elvis wrote: As was I. I was in Kindergarden in 1980.

'89 for me.

lol @ babies.

Mack wrote: Ceesman762 wrote: 450 meters?  with a 62 grain bullet? try 500 meters to qualify (Known Distance course USMC, prone position with a sling) and 600 for USMC divisional matches with current issue ammunition (prone with sling).  <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Correction noted; I was using information for the M16 with old ammunition (M193 I believe).  The M4 with the new ammunition (M855) is rated at a max effective range of 500 meters for point and 600 meters for area targets.</span>Full auto on the MP5 or semi only for that one in the car?<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Tough question.  I would have to say semi-auto.  The military used to have a device that limited M16s to semi-auto for use in riot control situations.  (I can't remember the terminology for it unfortunately.)   I have no idea if something like that could be designed for the MP5.  If it could, that would be my suggestion.</span>

The Selctor switch. It does have "Safe, Semi and Full Auto" on the Navy Trigger groups. Standard HK trigger groups have Safe and Semi or white S & red F.

ShortyBP wrote: Dye Playa wrote: And shorty, what kind of gun is that, and how much? GSG-5. You should be seeing more of them in the coming months, for under five bills. carl_the_sniper wrote: -Rifles: 5 rounds max (excluding bolt action firearms which have no restrictions) So this is to include rimfire rifles (22LR)? If so... you MIGHT still be in luck should you want one... as the manufacturer makes 2rd magazines (I guess for export to some countries where there is such a limit). But that kinda takes a lot of the fun out of the equation.

It doesn't matter. Like I said, the MP5 family is prohibited.

its too powerful?? haha it shoots near the same bullet as the M9's or 92FS's that most of them carry, its a 9mm Luger, possibly to least powerful round i know of besides a .22. Most Sub-machine guns shoot pistol rounds.

i say let them have them.

Cyberdemon wrote: mp5s seem perfect

Thanks for that insightful and well-thought comment.

Regardless of whether or not MP5s suite the needs of policemen (I think the AR15s are fine), the fact remains that MP5s are expensive and scarce. Too expensive and scarce to equip an entire police force.

Here's a few thoughts on the AR vs MP debate that seems to be coming back up.

Primarily, it is far easier for police to procure hollow-point and blue-tip rounds (energy dispersal rounds) in a pistol caliber that will keep them from shooting through walls with deadly force than getting a long-rifle round that will do the same.

Secondly, aiming an AR takes more practice, even for medium range combat situations. My girlfriend could put 90% of the rounds in the 10 ring at 50' with an MP-5, and she's only fire 1 round in her life. The MP-5 is inherently easier to be accurate with due to it's set up and low-recoil. Lack of muzzle rise also contributes to it's stability as a close to medium range weapon system. The argument brought up earlier about police only making it to the range 2-4 times a year works counter to the AR argument considering this.

Thirdly, the vast majority of situations where a weapon of greater capability than the standard-issue side-arm is needed tend to be close-combat situations, be it dealing with a school/bank shooting situation, or more commonly serving a warrant or performing a raid on a domicile. The length of the AR series in that situation is counter-productive. The compact size of the MP-5, or any other sub machine gun for that matter, makes it much more ideal for entry situations and close-to-medium quarters combat.