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Man...kids these days....lol

And as far as the appointment goes, a Corporal has the right to disagree on all commands issued by a MCpl...except we never do cause that's undermining a buddies authority in front of the troops...not cool.
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Man...kids these days....lol

And as far as the appointment goes, a Corporal has the right to disagree on all commands issued by a MCpl...except we never do cause that's undermining a buddies authority in front of the troops...not cool.


Pretty sure you're wrong about being able to disagree with an MCpl. QR&O 3.08: "(4) Master corporals have authority and powers of command over all other corporals."

But yeah, any troop who would try to cut down a MCpl in front of other troops needs some learning. Painful learning.
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But yeah, any troop who would try to cut down a MCpl in front of other troops needs some learning. Painful learning.


what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?
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if its a legal order it must be followed.

discipline is instant willing obedience to all orders. respect for authority.
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Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:


what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?

I think you will find that many orders issued in the military risk getting a lot of guys injured or killed.  That's kind of the point.

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Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:


what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?

I think you will find that many orders issued in the military risk getting a lot of guys injured or killed.  That's kind of the point.



i guess i should've said it differently...say the MCPL gives you a task to complete and its supposed to take 2 hours...but you know a different way of doing the exact same thing but quicker, but the MCPL tells you your not allowed to do it and gives no reason for it. would you go ahead and do the quicker, equally efficient method?
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Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:


what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?

I think you will find that many orders issued in the military risk getting a lot of guys injured or killed.  That's kind of the point.



i guess i should've said it differently...say the MCPL gives you a task to complete and its supposed to take 2 hours...but you know a different way of doing the exact same thing but quicker, but the MCPL tells you your not allowed to do it and gives no reason for it. would you go ahead and do the quicker, equally efficient method?

Nope. When you get to that rank, then you can run things your own way. Until then, you do what the person above you tells you to do.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

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We don't have Master Warrent Officers. We have CWO's, thank you.


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Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:


Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?


I think you will find that many orders issued in the military risk getting a lot of guys injured or killed.  That's kind of the point.

i guess i should've said it differently...say the MCPL gives you a task to complete and its supposed to take 2 hours...but you know a different way of doing the exact same thing but quicker, but the MCPL tells you your not allowed to do it and gives no reason for it. would you go ahead and do the quicker, equally efficient method?


Absolutely yes! It is the responsibility of everyone in the chain of command to carry out the orders in an efficient and timely manner within the parameters of the mission. If i do the job the correct way and the mission is accomplished, the slap on the pee-pee will not be as severe as following an order to the letter and having the Sgt come down on the whole troop.

Keep in mind however, whining and **edited**ing will get you nowhere.

There are two rules in my army. Mission before self(that includes petty ego's) and "don't come to me with problems, come to me with solutions". Maybe Bri would disagree with me on that. But different strokes for different folks and all that. Must work well too, cause I just got loaded on my QL 5's and it's 2 years early.
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:


Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?


I think you will find that many orders issued in the military risk getting a lot of guys injured or killed.  That's kind of the point.

i guess i should've said it differently...say the MCPL gives you a task to complete and its supposed to take 2 hours...but you know a different way of doing the exact same thing but quicker, but the MCPL tells you your not allowed to do it and gives no reason for it. would you go ahead and do the quicker, equally efficient method?


There are two rules in my army. Mission before self(that includes petty ego's) and "don't come to me with problems, come to me with solutions". Maybe Bri would disagree with me on that. But different strokes for different folks and all that. Must work well too, cause I just got loaded on my QL 5's and it's 2 years early.


Hell no, no disagreement here. That's a pretty smart way of running things. Any idiot can moan and whine; only coming up with solutions actually helps anything though.

Congrats on getting loaded on your 5s. When do those start?

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Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:


Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?


I think you will find that many orders issued in the military risk getting a lot of guys injured or killed. That's kind of the point.

i guess i should've said it differently...say the MCPL gives you a task to complete and its supposed to take 2 hours...but you know a different way of doing the exact same thing but quicker, but the MCPL tells you your not allowed to do it and gives no reason for it. would you go ahead and do the quicker, equally efficient method?


No?


A lot of ways are more efficient, but the military is all about inefficiency and hurry up and wait.

It's not your subordinates job to tell you how to do things.



Hell, at boot (here comes the flames) the way we took showers was turn the shower on for 5 seconds, get wet, then turn it off. We'd then sit there for 5 minutes before we were allowed to lather.... then we got another 10 seconds to get all the soap off. End of shower.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:


Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?


I think you will find that many orders issued in the military risk getting a lot of guys injured or killed. That's kind of the point.

i guess i should've said it differently...say the MCPL gives you a task to complete and its supposed to take 2 hours...but you know a different way of doing the exact same thing but quicker, but the MCPL tells you your not allowed to do it and gives no reason for it. would you go ahead and do the quicker, equally efficient method?


No?


A lot of ways are more efficient, but the military is all about inefficiency and hurry up and wait.

It's not your subordinates job to tell you how to do things.



Hell, at boot (here comes the flames) the way we took showers was turn the shower on for 5 seconds, get wet, then turn it off. We'd then sit there for 5 minutes before we were allowed to lather.... then we got another 10 seconds to get all the soap off. End of shower.


That shower was as long as your Marine Corps Career...

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:


Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

what if the order is absolutely bogus and risks getting a lot of guys injured or killed?


I think you will find that many orders issued in the military risk getting a lot of guys injured or killed. That's kind of the point.

i guess i should've said it differently...say the MCPL gives you a task to complete and its supposed to take 2 hours...but you know a different way of doing the exact same thing but quicker, but the MCPL tells you your not allowed to do it and gives no reason for it. would you go ahead and do the quicker, equally efficient method?


No?


A lot of ways are more efficient, but the military is all about inefficiency and hurry up and wait.

It's not your subordinates job to tell you how to do things.



Hell, at boot (here comes the flames) the way we took showers was turn the shower on for 5 seconds, get wet, then turn it off. We'd then sit there for 5 minutes before we were allowed to lather.... then we got another 10 seconds to get all the soap off. End of shower.


How is showering like that at all inefficient?  Seems like an efficient way to save a lot of water to me.
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Did I ever say it was inefficient?   No. It was in reference to the hurry up and wait.


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My 5's start on thursday and i was told at 1600 today...nice warning eh? I just got off ex and my kit is strewn all over hell's half acre....most of the gucci stuff is with the wife while she is in pet doing ibts and tmst with the brigade right now.

And linus....that is a waste of time. in our boot, we had exactly 4:15 minutes to shower and get dressed and be ready for parade....Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on your poor carb based soul if you were trailing behind. Can anyone say "The beatings will continue until morale/efficiency/attitude improves?"....that would mean we all get to do PT again and finish late that day. Nothing like going to bed on an empty stomach.

Ahhh the good old days *reminisces*
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Did I ever say it was inefficient?   No. It was in reference to the hurry up and wait.


Evil, not a Marine till the EGA is in your hands. You know that.


Indeed I said your Career in the Corps. I didnt call you a Marine.

Linus you forget besides Hurry Up and Wait the awesome Stand by to Stand by.
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

My 5's start on thursday and i was told at 1600 today...nice warning eh? I just got off ex and my kit is strewn all over hell's half acre....most of the gucci stuff is with the wife while she is in pet doing ibts and tmst with the brigade right now.

Ahhh the good old days *reminisces*


Hah. TMST was balls, we did ours back in Sept. We're running IBTS ranges for them next week.
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Thor, what branch?

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Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Did I ever say it was inefficient?   No. It was in reference to the hurry up and wait.


Evil, not a Marine till the EGA is in your hands. You know that.


Indeed I said your Career in the Corps. I didnt call you a Marine.

Linus you forget besides Hurry Up and Wait the awesome Stand by to Stand by.

Stand By to Stand By for a Possible Maybe, over.

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