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Michigan has never had one. We're the only state in the union that has not had the death penalty throughout its history.

Isn't anyone who lives in NJ going to be dead from all kinds of cancers by age 30 anyways? Pollution is insane there.
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If we eliminate the death penalty, then in it's place we should at least start up a Devil's Island penal colony. Dump the scourge somewhere else and remove them from society... have them fend for themselves.

Where's the disincentive to commit crimes anymore? Sentences, parole, etc have become such a joke.

And death penalty issue aside... it makes me cringe to read "Hopefully more states will follow [New Jersey's] lead." for any issue.
NJ is such a horrid example to follow for anything.   My favorite headline for 2nd half of 2007 is from the Trentonian: "Scumbag politicians steal $1 billion"
With it's major cities consistantly making the top list for crime/murder... ridiculously high taxes... and slew of corrupt criminals, errr... I mean politicians that the idiot citizens continue to elect in year after year... NJ is hardly an example for ANYone to follow, for anything. I keep hoping my family decides to move so I don't even have to bother going back so often. I know I surely won't ever move back there myself.

But back on topic... if the Death Penalty is to be removed... then something else needs to take it's place. The sentencing aspect of criminal justice should be as much a disincentive as a punishment. Right now it's hard for me to consider it being much of either.
At the very least... no death penalty should mean 4x6 cell, solitary confinement for life with no parole, no TV, no exercise, no contact with other inmates... nothing.
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I'd consider that more cruel and unusual punishment than just killing me Shorty.
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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

I don't see how you can support the death penalty if the system is flawed and has failed in the past. The fact that wrongly-convicted people have been put to death, yet support for the capital punishment is so high in this country is mind blowing to me. Based on that alone should be enough reason to not support it. And also, the abortion argument really has no bearing in this thread. That's a separate issue that really can't be compared to capital punishment.

I also find it fascinating that some many Christians out there are in favor of the death penalty. I figure since Jesus was a wrongful victim of capital punishment, you people would be against it. Also, what happened to "Thou shalt not kill"?

It's not me thats doing the killing, so I dont care, Death Penalty=win

No Death Penalty?= :(

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Interesting concept, Death Penalty for those whose only crime is to be located in the wrong womb, and no death penalty for those in our society actually guilty of a true crime against society.

The term we are looking for is deterance, no fear of actual punishment, no hesitation in the commision of the act. Again many here are looking at this from the
"time out" chair generation, a true form of deterance...once you have kids you will understand actually how effective that "acceptable" punishment is also.

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If NJ is going to rid of the death penalty, why not let rapists go wild while they are at it? An eye for an eye should be implemented, if you kill somebody beyond question, you get killed. It should not even be a question, those convicted of murder should be killed, and there should be no 15 years in prison before you are executed, it should be maybe a year, to think about what they did, then execution.
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Originally posted by Enmity Enmity wrote:

If NJ is going to rid of the death penalty, why not let rapists go wild while they are at it? An eye for an eye should be implemented, if you kill somebody beyond question, you get killed. It should not even be a question, those convicted of murder should be killed, and there should be no 15 years in prison before you are executed, it should be maybe a year, to think about what they did, then execution.


I'm pretty sure it's a long period of time so they can make sure it was actually that person who comitted the crime.

I think Texas made it so that if there are a certain number of eye-witnesses, they execute them in a much shorter time.

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Again a "Biblical" aspect ot our society, the "eye for an eye" concept, and we know how the current feeling is towards any "relgious" applications in our "new enlightened " society. The rub the belly it will be OK approach to the criminal surely deters crime, that is the new progressive approach.
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Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Originally posted by Enmity Enmity wrote:

If NJ is going to rid of the death penalty, why not let rapists go wild while they are at it? An eye for an eye should be implemented, if you kill somebody beyond question, you get killed. It should not even be a question, those convicted of murder should be killed, and there should be no 15 years in prison before you are executed, it should be maybe a year, to think about what they did, then execution.


I'm pretty sure it's a long period of time so they can make sure it was actually that person who comitted the crime.

I think Texas made it so that if there are a certain number of eye-witnesses, they execute them in a much shorter time.


Yeah Texas made it so if 3 or more people see you commit the murder and will testify, you get executed within something like a month.
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Something tells me that if somebody killed one of your Family members your opinion on the Death Penalty would change.
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Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Something tells me that if somebody killed one of your Family members your opinion on the Death Penalty would change.
No, it wouldn't. I don't believe that more violence is the answer to violence.
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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Something tells me that if somebody killed one of your Family members your opinion on the Death Penalty would change.
No, it wouldn't. I don't believe that more violence is the answer to violence.

Have you ever had anybody close to you Murdered?
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Interesting concept, Death Penalty for those whose only crime is to be located in the wrong womb, and no death penalty for those in our society actually guilty of a true crime against society.


Exactly.
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hahaha, I love it when fetuses are compared to like, tenants paying
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Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Something tells me that if somebody killed one of your Family members your opinion on the Death Penalty would change.
No, it wouldn't. I don't believe that more violence is the answer to violence.

Have you ever had anybody close to you Murdered?
No, I have not. But I do know something. If somebody did murder someone close to me, having that person put to death would not bring me consolation. I am not a vengeful person. Nor do I believe that killing someone solves anything. In fact, it only makes things worse. Somone I know getting murdered would not change that. Don't try to tell me that it will. This is something that I believe far too strongly in.
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This forum holds alot of hate for Jersey. Where did all the hate foster? Hell, we gave you Bruce Springsteen, what more do you want!
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Life is considered to be a beating heart, and in partial birth the child usually takes the first breath before the scissors are inserted. One video released to the public on an abortion and we may feel differant. Fetus tests have shown that the fetus feels pain, yet we now debate the act of lethal injection is considered "inhumane" since it causes pain in the condemned. Sodium Pentathol the first drug given in the mass dosage in lethal injection reders unconsiousness in moments, no pain. The two remainder are backups. So if Sodium Pentathol is "inhumane" any surgeon who uses it is comitting "inhumane" surgury.

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Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:


Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:


Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Something tells me that if somebody killed one of your Family members your opinion on the Death Penalty would change.
No, it wouldn't. I don't believe that more violence is the answer to violence.
Have you ever had anybody close to you Murdered?


Ever had somebody close to you wrongly convicted, executed, and later found innocent?

I think your opinion on the death penalty would change also.
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I like the Gulag/Devils Island approach. A camp in northern Alaska, inmate run, let them prey on each other for a change. And if you try to escape every living creature out there sees you as food. The explosive collar thing would work also, stray from the perimeter, bang off with the head-self induced death penalty.
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As fascinating as a discussion comparing abortion to the death penalty is, I suspect it is a little off center here... 

But as to the death penalty, I find that many supporters of the death panalty casually mix up various reasons.

Should we have the death penalty because it is a deterrant?  Or because the bible says "an eye for an eye"?  Is it "justice"?

If it were proven that the death penalty is not a particularly effective deterrant, would you change your position?

And are you not concerned about the innocent getting executed?

(And BTW, OS, if you think time outs are ineffective as a child-rearing tool, you are doing it wrong)

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