I can turn you atheist/agnostic

Man Bites Dog wrote: BooksAndLeaves wrote: Man Bites Dog wrote: BooksAndLeaves wrote: Man Bites Dog wrote: Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason. For what reason do you believe that? Personal searching and research. Can you provide an example from research that led you to believe there is a creator? If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this. Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system.

/bookasandfails

You can do this with any belief including agnostic...  Why not let people believe what they want.

If it bothers you that much, maybe you are the one that really needs to be questioning what you believe.

“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into”

-Jonathan Swift

Tolgak wrote: “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into” -Jonathan Swift

Damn, that's an amazing quote.

BooksAndLeaves wrote: carl_the_sniper wrote: BooksAndLeaves wrote: carl_the_sniper wrote: BooksAndLeaves wrote: Man Bites Dog wrote: Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason. For what reason do you believe that? For what reason do you not believe that? Because I have no reason to. What is your reason not to? I'm confused now and need to rephrase this for myself. So you're asking: "What is your reason for not having a reason to believe in a creator of some sort?" Well, because something needs to be empirically proven to me, before I can believe it whole-heartedly.

now im atheist but i can provide an argument for believers...you said it yourself...believe...thats the point, you believe it exists. just like little kids believe santa exists, whether he does or not, how is it hurting you?

BooksAndLeaves wrote: Man Bites Dog wrote: If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this. Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system. Yes, I know, it would take away faith if he was proven, so I guess what I am trying to ask is, how have you proven to yourself or convinced yourself that there is a God in your life?

I am never really dead-set in my ways as far as believing in something or not, so maybe I am a bad person to be trying to do this nifty little "OMG UR CHRISTIAN UR DUMB" thing on, since I tend to agree that Christianity is idiotic.

I consider myself a Deist. I believe in a overall supreme being, however I believe that this being does not interfere in everyday life. Whatever this being is, it has overseen the evolution of life on the planet, and created a world of logic and reason based on certain natural principles. This is why I don't believe in creationism, miracles, etc.

Part of my belief in this comes through simply looking around at the world and seeing patterns and influences in mankind. Part of it comes through thinking that the absolute disbelief in anything at all (atheism) is a little boring and hopeless. Part of it comes through a personal belief that something is out there somewhere.

BooksAndLeaves wrote: Well, because something needs to be empirically proven to me, before I can believe it whole-heartedly.

So if it can't be proven, you don't believe it?

BooksAndLeaves wrote: Man Bites Dog wrote: Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason. For what reason do you believe that?

Faith: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Doesn't need a reason, faith is believing in th absence of reason, proof, etc.

Man Bites Dog wrote: BooksAndLeaves wrote: Man Bites Dog wrote: If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this. Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system. Yes, I know, it would take away faith if he was proven, so I guess what I am trying to ask is, how have you proven to yourself or convinced yourself that there is a God in your life? I am never really dead-set in my ways as far as believing in something or not, so maybe I am a bad person to be trying to do this nifty little "OMG UR CHRISTIAN UR DUMB" thing on, since I tend to agree that Christianity is idiotic. I consider myself a Deist. I believe in a overall supreme being, however I believe that this being does not interfere in everyday life. Whatever this being is, it has overseen the evolution of life on the planet, and created a world of logic and reason based on certain natural principles. This is why I don't believe in creationism, miracles, etc. Part of my belief in this comes through simply looking around at the world and seeing patterns and influences in mankind. Part of it comes through thinking that the absolute disbelief in anything at all (atheism) is a little boring and hopeless. Part of it comes through a personal belief that something is out there somewhere.

Fair enough.

Developing a legitimate philosophical belief such as that, having no sort of code of conduct to live by, is okay to me.

I'll bite,


I would be fairly confident in saying that it would be impossible to prove that something does not exist, how would one prove something does not exist unless they have seen everything?