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Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

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Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

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Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason.




For what reason do you believe that?


Personal searching and research.


Can you provide an example from research that led you to believe there is a creator?



If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this.

Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system.






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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this.Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system.
Yes, I know, it would take away faith if he was proven, so I guess what I am trying to ask is, how have you proven to yourself or convinced yourself that there is a God in your life?


How have you proven to yourself that there isin't?
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You can do this with any belief including agnostic...  Why not let people believe what they want.

If it bothers you that much, maybe you are the one that really needs to be questioning what you believe.
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Agnostic.

I think the idea of God is kinda silly, but I am not sure.
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“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into”

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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:


Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason.
For what reason do you believe that?

For what reason do you not believe that?

Because I have no reason to.


What is your reason not to?


I'm confused now and need to rephrase this for myself.

So you're asking: "What is your reason for not having a reason to believe in a creator of some sort?"

Well, because something needs to be empirically proven to me, before I can believe it whole-heartedly.
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“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into”

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Damn, that's an amazing quote.
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Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into”

-Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:


Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason.
For what reason do you believe that?

For what reason do you not believe that?

Because I have no reason to.


What is your reason not to?


I'm confused now and need to rephrase this for myself.

So you're asking: "What is your reason for not having a reason to believe in a creator of some sort?"

Well, because something needs to be empirically proven to me, before I can believe it whole-heartedly.

now im atheist but i can provide an argument for believers...you said it yourself...believe...thats the point, you believe it exists. just like little kids believe santa exists, whether he does or not, how is it hurting you?
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Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:


Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:


Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:


Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason.
For what reason do you believe that?

For what reason do you not believe that?

Because I have no reason to.


What is your reason not to?
I'm confused now and need to rephrase this for myself.So you're asking: "What is your reason for not having a reason to believe in a creator of some sort?"Well, because something needs to be empirically proven to me, before I can believe it whole-heartedly.


Proven how?

Science is faith.




As for me, I am a sort of modified agnostic and I draw beliefs from many religions/faiths.

I find that many aethiests are annoying and smug about it.

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If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this.

Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system.


Yes, I know, it would take away faith if he was proven, so I guess what I am trying to ask is, how have you proven to yourself or convinced yourself that there is a God in your life?



I am never really dead-set in my ways as far as believing in something or not, so maybe I am a bad person to be trying to do this nifty little "OMG UR CHRISTIAN UR DUMB" thing on, since I tend to agree that Christianity is idiotic.

I consider myself a Deist. I believe in a overall supreme being, however I believe that this being does not interfere in everyday life. Whatever this being is, it has overseen the evolution of life on the planet, and created a world of logic and reason based on certain natural principles. This is why I don't believe in creationism, miracles, etc.

Part of my belief in this comes through simply looking around at the world and seeing patterns and influences in mankind. Part of it comes through thinking that the absolute disbelief in anything at all (atheism) is a little boring and hopeless. Part of it comes through a personal belief that something is out there somewhere.

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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:


Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this.Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system.
Yes, I know, it would take away faith if he was proven, so I guess what I am trying to ask is, how have you proven to yourself or convinced yourself that there is a God in your life?
I am never really dead-set in my ways as far as believing in something or not, so maybe I am a bad person to be trying to do this nifty little "OMG UR CHRISTIAN UR DUMB" thing on, since I tend to agree that Christianity is idiotic. I consider myself a Deist. I believe in a overall supreme being, however I believe that this being does not interfere in everyday life. Whatever this being is, it has overseen the evolution of life on the planet, and created a world of logic and reason based on certain natural principles. This is why I don't believe in creationism, miracles, etc. Part of my belief in this comes through simply looking around at the world and seeing patterns and influences in mankind. Part of it comes through thinking that the absolute disbelief in anything at all (atheism) is a little boring and hopeless. Part of it comes through a personal belief that something is out there somewhere.


Deist?

Never heard this before, I need an explanation.

From what you said, we seem to share similar beliefs.
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Well, because something needs to be empirically proven to me, before I can believe it whole-heartedly.

So if it can't be proven, you don't believe it?
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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:



Deist?

Never heard this before, I need an explanation.

From what you said, we seem to share similar beliefs.


Link that can explain it better than I can

Also, recommended reading in Paine's The Age of Reason.


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Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Because I believe in a creator, that created a world of logic and reason.




For what reason do you believe that?


Faith: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Doesn't need a reason, faith is believing in th absence of reason, proof, etc.
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Proven how?

Science is faith.

I was gonna stop after my quote, but this takes it too far.

1) Faith is accepting something without ample evidence for it.

2) Science requires evidence before the scientific community accepts an idea.

3) Anything scientific that is based on faith is called a hypothesis, and never goes past that if evidence is never found.

4) If 1% of a theory hasn't been proven, it doesn't necessarily make the proven other 99% false. 99% evidence for a claim (at least enough to make the theory true for most real-world applications) is 99 reasons out of 100 why the theory is not based on faith.

5) People who attack science (mainly religious people attacking atheists) try to equate science to religion to undermine something they barely understand. "We're not so different, you and I" only serves to weaken the other in the eyes of the dumb.

I find that many aethiests are annoying and smug about it.

You spelled "atheist" wrong, n00b.


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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

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If you are asking me to prove the existence of a God, then I cannot, and you know this.

Strangely enough though, it does not change my belief system.


Yes, I know, it would take away faith if he was proven, so I guess what I am trying to ask is, how have you proven to yourself or convinced yourself that there is a God in your life?



I am never really dead-set in my ways as far as believing in something or not, so maybe I am a bad person to be trying to do this nifty little "OMG UR CHRISTIAN UR DUMB" thing on, since I tend to agree that Christianity is idiotic.

I consider myself a Deist. I believe in a overall supreme being, however I believe that this being does not interfere in everyday life. Whatever this being is, it has overseen the evolution of life on the planet, and created a world of logic and reason based on certain natural principles. This is why I don't believe in creationism, miracles, etc.

Part of my belief in this comes through simply looking around at the world and seeing patterns and influences in mankind. Part of it comes through thinking that the absolute disbelief in anything at all (atheism) is a little boring and hopeless. Part of it comes through a personal belief that something is out there somewhere.



Fair enough.

Developing a legitimate philosophical belief such as that, having no sort of code of conduct to live by, is okay to me.
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Faith: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Doesn't need a reason, faith is believing in th absence of reason, proof, etc.


So, in other words, you're saying it is impossible to prove something does not exist?
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I'll bite,


I would be fairly confident in saying that it would be impossible to prove that something does not exist, how would one prove something does not exist unless they have seen everything?
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Just because you can make something up in your head, does not at all mean its nonexistence is suddenly unprovable. You don't need to see everything to know that.
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