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Yeah, once kingman and BE switched over to a less malleable plastic on their cup-seals, we started having issues with them in the cold weather in upstate NY. You could fix it by throwing in one of the black-magic seals which were softer and wouldn't change properties as readily with liquid, but they were a expensive in the late 90's when I started working in the industry.

The best results I had were from running a 6-stage "filtered" x-chamber (with the stage inserts inside, not just hollow) like an ACI chamber with either normal back bottle set ups, or remote line set-ups.

We still had our fair share of siphon tanks up there though. A lot of pro-carbine and .68 carbine players. It was always fun to see the look on a new tech's face when he heard the dip tube rattle around in the bottle as it was filling. It was like "Oh my god, did I just break this dude's tank?"
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You are so old Tallen... lol
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Well, if you look at my avatar picture, I AM bald. But I can still hit the 50 off the break and play speedball with the best of them.

And hey, at least I'm not as old as Chris LaSoya.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:


It was always fun to see the look on a new tech's face when he heard the dip tube rattle around in the bottle as it was filling. It was like "Oh my god, did I just break this dude's tank?"


What I usually get it
Tech - "Somethings wrong with your tank. It should not make that noise!"
Me - "Yes it is, its a siphon".
Tech - "Anti-siphons should not make that noise".
Me - "No, its a siphon. It forces liquid into the gun through a flexible, but weighted hose".

Usually there is a 5-second pause.

Tech - "No, you are confused. A setup like that would blow your gun up!!"
Me - "Um, Ok. Thanks for the fill" and I walk away.

There is even greater moments at the chrono. For tournaments, I'll go ahead and chill the gun. That means I'll fill up a 20oz, and 7oz. I'll screw in the 7oz while holding hammer forward to keep the valve open, and vent 7oz of liquid into the gun all at once, making it cold and frosty. Then screw on the 20oz, and play as normal.

I've done it so many times, that I don't even think about it, but lately people back away from me!
Here is a pic of my gun nicely frosted inline blowback.



And yes, I have even less hair. I ripped it all out after I got married...   ;)

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Chris Lasoya is a punk.

Tallen, come to eastern kentucky sometime, I want to see you get to the 50 off the break.
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I never understood the fascination that the MCB crew has with Montneel valved markers. Of course, I've never used one. I know the inline system is fairly different in operation from the standard BE/Tippmann/ACI inline setups, but I don't remember exactly how.
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The interest at MCB stems from one single fact:
The company is out of business.

Its like a painting, from a painter that has died.
So for guns like Vectors, and Tribals, it creates an certain coolness factor that is hard to duplicate with mass produced guns today.

I used "Inline Blowback" instead of Montneel, since this is a factory Tippmann forum..   ;)

The Montneels are mechanically similar to Tippmanns. They differ by using a delayed-blowback system, segmented trigger, and 3-pc modular body. Plus a quick-strip barrel/breech system, dual-detent and dual-tank setup.

They represent the highest point of blowback design. The the marketing viewpoint for blowbacks switched, and designs evolved to match. Instead of high-end blowbacks, you now have blowbacks for the "masses".

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Originally posted by HP_Lovecraft HP_Lovecraft wrote:

The interest at MCB stems from one single fact:
The company is out of business.

Its like a painting, from a painter that has died.
So for guns like Vectors, and Tribals, it creates an certain coolness factor that is hard to duplicate with mass produced guns today.

I used "Inline Blowback" instead of Montneel, since this is a factory Tippmann forum..   ;)

The Montneels are mechanically similar to Tippmanns. They differ by using a delayed-blowback system, segmented trigger, and 3-pc modular body. Plus a quick-strip barrel/breech system, dual-detent and dual-tank setup.

They represent the highest point of blowback design. The the marketing viewpoint for blowbacks switched, and designs evolved to match. Instead of high-end blowbacks, you now have blowbacks for the "masses".

nick

Quit showing off your fancy blow back and go fiddle with your tanks of witchcraft.

Blow-foward is the way to go anyway.

(Im joking if you haven't realized, although I do like mags.)

And btw Tallen, you may be the better paintballer between us, but I can definitely beat you to the fifty

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Tallen dodged me because he fears me.
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Originally posted by SSOK SSOK wrote:


Quit showing off your fancy blow back and go fiddle with your tanks of witchcraft.



Notice I made no mention of my fancy blowback until someone else asked a specific question on page 3.

So no showing off at all, though I do think blowbacks are the best design in paintball, as far as performance.
Blowbacks, like Tippmanns, can do things that no other designs can accomplish.

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I think it's more jealousy at an amazing piece of paintball history (and a darn nice anno-job at that!) than any real accusations of showing off nick.

We tend to go in for sarcasm around here.

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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

You would fear this Skillet.  This Skillet would fry YOU 


Slap yourself. That was lame.
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This was a pretty amusing thread.

First an old dog comes in asking a simple question about using some new school gear in an old school way.

Then the young pups jump in snapping at yapping about how old school ways are obsolete, and that old dog needs to get with the new ways or GTFO.

Then another old dog who is hip to the new ways and respected by the young pups comes in and shuts down the yipping little pups and answers the other old dogs question.

Then both old dogs sit down with a couple beers and start chatting it up about the old ways as the young pups sit there speechless not knowing **edited** theyíre talking about but impressed nonetheless.

Every now and then the old dogs throw the young pups a bone to fight over as they continue their lengthy, yet oddly intriguing discussion.

Classic..
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And then some smug old douchebag comes in and could not possibly be more condescending.
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Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

And then some smug old douchebag comes in and could not possibly be more condescending.


Now now, no flaming!

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It's justified.
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Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

It's justified.

No.

 

Btw, this thread delivered.  I <3 Tallen.  And DeTrev.  And now, HP.

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Originally posted by Yomillio Yomillio wrote:

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

It's justified.

No.

 

Btw, this thread delivered.  I <3 Tallen.  And DeTrev.  And now, HP.

Yes, actually. I really don't appreciate some blowhard "veteran" popping in out of nowhere and trashing all the "newbies" who didn't understand the OP's admittedly old-school question. Yes, the answers at the beginning of the thread were misguided but damn, don't just roll in here on your trusty forty year old warhorse and act like you're superior because you were around when liquid was king.

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