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**I move away from the mic to get tazered.





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Originally posted by *Stealth* *Stealth* wrote:

Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

**I move away from the mic to get tazered.





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lesson to learn, don't resist arrest or you will get tasered, why they pulled him off the stage when the guy wanted to answer the question is what I'm wondering, i think that the cops went a little overboard with that one.

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People like you are the reason people like NWA hate cops.


I am pretty sure the fact that they where Gangstaz and Hustlaz doesn't have a thing to do with it. I spent the later half my childhood and my teen years in an inner city urban neighborhood. And I know from first hand knowledge that the only people that dont like the Police are the ones who A- are doing the sort of illegal shady activities that usually brings about the attention of the police. or B- the people who live in the whole 'race crutch' world where the white man is keeping them down and every problem can be traced back in a 6th degrees of Kevin Bacon like to the 'white man'.


You're focusing to much on one detail that I threw in for no reason. Pretend I†took out "like NWA."†



   My answer still stands. While I do know a quite a few jerk racist cops. The point remains the same,normal people who go about their business dont usually have to worry about the police.

Just like the issue we had in Highschool with peoplebeing singled out for wearing gang colors. With the huge problem that we had with the Gang War between the Latin Kings Gang, Los Solidos and La Familia. The cops would stop and checkout anyone wearing those colors. While many cried about harrasment, I just avoided those colors and has never bothered since real city cops have real calls and problems to tend to. Thou I do admit smaller quiet town cops tend to be more "what you boys doing down here" I really cant fault them since they know that we where from another city (running plates or watching from what bus we got off) and we where in their city.

    I am sure if two car loads of people from out of town where running up and down your streets you'd want your local police to check them out. And say if they broken into your place a common practice here since we live so close to the Conneticutt border. You'd be upset that the Police saw a two car loads of out of towners in your street and didnt inquire.
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Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

In my opinion the cop made a very bad decision to use the tazer. The student was already down, as Stealth noted, and wasn't going anywhere.


Like I said, it was the LEAST harmful method of getting him to comply.

What should they have done instead?

They already had him on the ground, as you could see in the video. You mean that 5 cops can wrestle an average sized college student to the ground and hold him while they tazer him, but they were unable to just pick the brat up and cart his ass out?

And to expand a bit, I wouldn't take that Facebook account of events as pure fact. I think the writer had a bit of a bias towards the situation, as it is evident from the insults he used.

EE, by normal, did you mean white? Not trying to enter a racial debate here, but a few co-workers read this thread last night and I was regaled with stories of their encounters with the police. To add, they are normal people who were going about their business.



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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Point does not stand... most people when arrested aren't pinned to the ground.

The ones pinned to the ground are the ones resisting arrest.


Yes, there were cops all around him, which is all the more reason a taser was used: It is a controlled device.

If they used a baton, it could have caused serious injury.

If they used pepper spray, not only the assailant would be effected, but so would the police and the rest of the civilians in the room.


The taser was the best choice for the situation: Getting an uncooperative suspect in a room full of innocents cooperative without un-due risk of danger to anyone.


So you're telling me these 5 grown, trained officers couldn't restrain some punk kid in order to put cuffs on him? I'm calling BS on that one.
These guys are meant to take on big burly criminals in similar situations, and that is done sans-taser all the time.
These cops were just being pricks and wanted to make sure this kid "got what he deserved" (in their eyes) for resisting.

And from what I can see, I'd probably try to resist too, even if it wasn't the best idea. If I was getting dragged away for trying to voice my question/opinion/whatever, I'd be so outraged I wouldn't respond in a normal or sane fashion.

GG Florida police.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Ok, here's the before footage:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JwIGMKfmLFE


And google "Officer McNevin" to read up on it.

He was found justifiable and in the clear.


PS... apparently it's against the law for Cops to use radar on cars while driving...


Here's the thing. Just because he's found justified doesn't make it right.
Cops can get away with just about anything because there's an automatic bias built into the legal system. Cops have always had a history of getting away with things that are morally reprehensible under guise of upholding "the law" (or at least their version of it).

For example: Remember the cop that made the dope-brownies a while back? Well, I got arrested for use of marijuana... Did he? No. Why? Because he's a damn po-po, and those bastages get away with just about anything short of beating down a black man (and even that until fairly recently).
Eff the Police. (Not to be competely cliche or anything).

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i run deez streetz aint no cops hoez on my nutz
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I just also want to throw in. Taser was the best choice, it subdued him long enough to cuff him so they could escort him out safely. If they tried to wrestle him out or wrestled the cuffs on him they risked injuring him and themselves.
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Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

I just also want to throw in. Taser was the best choice, it subdued him long enough to cuff him so they could escort him out safely. If they tried to wrestle him out or wrestled the cuffs on him they risked injuring him and themselves.

He was a skinny college student, not a sumo wrestler, how the hell were they going to get hurt? They had him on the ground already...
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Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:


Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

I just also want to throw in. Taser was the best choice, it subdued him long enough to cuff him so they could escort him out safely. If they tried to wrestle him out or wrestled the cuffs on him they risked injuring him and themselves.
He was a skinny college student, not a sumo wrestler, how the hell were they going to get hurt? They had him on the ground already...

Kicking and flailing can cause injuries to those around you. I'm not saying he was going to rumble with 5 cops and cause broken limbs, just saying the risk of him causing injuries to someone was present.
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Exactly, HV. How damn hard is it to get his hands behind his back for 2-3 seconds while you slap some cuffs on? Especially when you can have one guy on each limb and still have one free to work the cuffs.
The pigs just wanted to make sure he got their message.
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How damn hard is it to get his hands behind his back for 2-3 seconds while you slap some cuffs on?

Without breaking/dislocating his arm? Damn hard.

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In hindsight, the police might have acted differently if they knew this kid wasn't a legitimate threat.  In fact most of us can probably agree on that.

Take into consideration how many times the police have to make an arrest.  Ask any police officer, the one thing they are concerned about while making an arrest, traffic stop, ect., is if they will make it home that night.  They have no idea if this guy/female will pull out a weapon and try to take someone's life.  You don't want to be that guy that didn't use the taser and got himself 4 other deputies killed.  So for the deputies, it's just that simple.  If you don't want to be that guy, don't be that guy.

I'd rather hear about some jerk getting tasered than a police officer injured or killed.

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Originally posted by Yeoman Yeoman wrote:

In hindsight, the police might have acted differently if they knew this kid wasn't a legitimate threat.  In fact most of us can probably agree on that.

Take into consideration how many times the police have to make an arrest.  Ask any police officer, the one thing they are concerned about while making an arrest, traffic stop, ect., is if they will make it home that night.  They have no idea if this guy/female will pull out a weapon and try to take someone's life.  You don't want to be that guy that didn't use the taser and got himself 4 other deputies killed.  So for the deputies, it's just that simple.  If you don't want to be that guy, don't be that guy.

I'd rather hear about some jerk getting tasered than a police officer injured or killed.



I think they did know that he was no legitimate threat. The thing is, once the decision to arrest is made, there's no stopping it. The goal is to do it in the least amount of time with the least risk of injury (for moral and liability reasons) to all involved.

You say they could've dragged him out. Yea, 5 guys can do that to a failing person. But a person struggling like that could easily be dropped or hit his head on the ground. There's a reason why you don't move an arrestee before restraining him.

I've also received the argument that the police could just hold him there until he tires. I don't know about anybody else, but I'd find it easy to yell and struggle for the next 10 minutes in that situation. The adrenaline makes it hard for anybody to stop you. The "disturbance of peace" (as some may call it) was enough to justify ending the situation ASAP, as cops seem to always do during arrests.

The best way to calm down a resistant person is to show him that there's no way out. The Taser provided the pain (the most effective way for people to understand what not to do) to get him into that position. The moment the cuffs were on, he backed off.

Wrestling him into position had the possible problems that the jerseypaint and I said previously in this thread, that do not exist when using a Taser.
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Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Originally posted by Yeoman Yeoman wrote:

In hindsight, the police might have acted differently if they knew this kid wasn't a legitimate threat.  In fact most of us can probably agree on that.

Take into consideration how many times the police have to make an arrest.  Ask any police officer, the one thing they are concerned about while making an arrest, traffic stop, ect., is if they will make it home that night.  They have no idea if this guy/female will pull out a weapon and try to take someone's life.  You don't want to be that guy that didn't use the taser and got himself 4 other deputies killed.  So for the deputies, it's just that simple.  If you don't want to be that guy, don't be that guy.

I'd rather hear about some jerk getting tasered than a police officer injured or killed.



I think they did know that he was no legitimate threat. The thing is, once the decision to arrest is made, there's no stopping it. The goal is to do it in the least amount of time with the least risk of injury (for moral and liability reasons) to all involved.

You say they could've dragged him out. Yea, 5 guys can do that to a failing person. But a person struggling like that could easily be dropped or hit his head on the ground. There's a reason why you don't move an arrestee before restraining him.

I've also received the argument that the police could just hold him there until he tires. I don't know about anybody else, but I'd find it easy to yell and struggle for the next 10 minutes in that situation. The adrenaline makes it hard for anybody to stop you. The "disturbance of peace" (as some may call it) was enough to justify ending the situation ASAP, as cops seem to always do during arrests.

The best way to calm down a resistant person is to show him that there's no way out. The Taser provided the pain (the most effective way for people to understand what not to do) to get him into that position. The moment the cuffs were on, he backed off.

Wrestling him into position had the possible problems that the jerseypaint and I said previously in this thread, that do not exist when using a Taser.

I'd rather break or dislocate an arm than get tasered due to my heart condition. Think about problems the taser can cause too.
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That's a really tough call. While there is a possibility of an underlying condition that could make getting tased a serious injury, if they would have wrestled the kid into cuffs and broke his arm, there would be much more backlash. Especially when someone got the kid on TV in a cast and arm sling.
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Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:


I'd rather break or dislocate an arm than get tasered due to my heart condition. Think about problems the taser can cause too.


Minor burns / bruising / small hole right where the prongs hit. Fatigue caused by the muscle spasms...

That's about it.

The fall from a standing person getting tased would cause more injury than a 10 second shock ever could, unless the person is in the pretty small minority of people who's hearts can be messed up because of the sting. SOP after a taser strike (from protocols I looked up by various police departments) say to take a tased person to a hospital or medical professional ASAP after the arrest.

The only deaths that have occurred were from police abuse of the taser (two shocks is not police brutality), a few from the heart problems, and mostly with coked-up people.


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