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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Or how about making an ass of yourself saying someone is wrong when they aren't...?

When I stated "these bombs" I thought it was clear I was talking about both the MOAB of the US and the new fuel-air one of Russia, and how they are meant for conflicts like those seen in Afghanistan and Chechnya, so my bad for not being clear enough.

I had a reply written out but I decided not to post it.

The thing is linus, you have the debating skills of a 4 year old.

You are acting like a prick

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And yet you're the one using name calling when I prove myself right... that makes a WHOLE lot of sense.

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What does it matter how big the explosion, when it cannot be aimed in any (apparent) manner? Much less the fact that it is delivered by a gigantic flying target, flying relatively low and slow compared to it's foriegn counterparts?

Honestly, the bigger blast means nothing to me, beacuse, if America really wanted to, we could drop a guided missle THROUGH putin's living room window. I would not doubt we could do about the same with a nuclear or thermonuclear device. (even if you "miss" with a nuke, the target still has a fairly good chance of going down. [sarcasm noted])

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Because this is a bit of a waste of argument space.

No one here knows how well the Russian weapon can be aimed. There are a couple of heavy payload, guided parachute systems around, so it's perfectly acceptable to think that any or all parachute deployed weapons can be guided to their target as they need to be.

It wouldn't be too hard to have a drogue chuts slow the weapon and stabalise it for a long frop, to have the delivery 'chute deploy at lower altitudes.

Coupled to the fact that none of us know for sure what the the Russian bomb was loaded with, the arguments of payload are also moot. The MOAB uses a fairly conventional mix of RDX, TNT, and aluminum. Nothing to write home about there. If the Russian weapon is indeed a FAE weapon, it will have a bigger bang because of the way FAE's work.

I'm honestly suprised they got the FAE concept to work with such large quantities. Everything Iv'e read said it simply shouldn't.

On the "We iz da Gratest!" USA Airforce chant, well, they're not. They don't have the most time in the cockpit. This was reported widely a while ago, th average time for a USAF pilot per year is 200 hours. INDIA give their pilots 250 hours per year....

The F22 is, on paper, a fantastic aeroplane. Just don't try fly it over the international date line. This calls for a two week down time while they upgrade the software. IF they forgot something as simple and elemental as that, what else are they forgetting? There also aren't that many of them on the planet. Whats it, one squadron?

No one here knows the survivability of a BlackJack, but I'm willing to bet it's at least an order of magnitude heigher than that of a C-130.

But then comes the next moot point. None of these weapons are designed to be used against echother. They have both been developed for use in conflicts where one side has air superiority and needs to worry about things like creating caps in cover, creating gaps in minefields, destroying "dug in" infantry in either mountains or urban enviroments, and to "shock and awe" an enemy they'd have to go in and get on foot.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

And yet you're the one using name calling when I prove myself right... that makes a WHOLE lot of sense.

That doesn't make you NOT a tool. Srsly, ignore people, man.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

If I read correctly, their bomb is a fuel-air bomb, while
our MOAB is a conventional bomb.

Also, I didn't see how it was guided... is it a dumb bomb, GPS, laser?


But ours is still bigger.


The article itsself stated otherwise.

Originally posted by The Article The Article wrote:


The report said the new bomb was much stronger than the U.S.-built
Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb -- MOAB, also known under its name
"Mother of All Bombs." "So, Russian designers called the new weapon
'Father of All Bombs'," it said.
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Thing is, if Russia was going to hit the US/Canada/any NATO nation, with that, they would just use a Nuke anyway. Any Country on this earth is not going to use a Nuke or fuel-air bomb unless abseloutely necessary, in which case, why not do as much damage as possible.

Plus, that article stated that the weapon is mostly designed for use where one does not want the 30 year span of radiation left behind. Why not leave the land untouchable for your enemy?

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Originally posted by SSOK SSOK wrote:

Thing is, if Russia was going to hit the US/Canada/any NATO nation, with that, they would just use a Nuke anyway. Any Country on this earth is not going to use a Nuke or fuel-air bomb unless abseloutely necessary, in which case, why not do as much damage as possible.

Plus, that article stated that the weapon is mostly designed for use where one does not want the 30 year span of radiation left behind. Why not leave the land untouchable for your enemy?


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Quit talking bad about his jets
u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted

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Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

If I read correctly, their bomb is a fuel-air bomb, while
our MOAB is a conventional bomb.

Also, I didn't see how it was guided... is it a dumb bomb, GPS, laser?


But ours is still bigger.


The article itsself stated otherwise.

Originally posted by The Article The Article wrote:


The report said the new bomb was much stronger than the U.S.-built
Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb -- MOAB, also known under its name
"Mother of All Bombs." "So, Russian designers called the new weapon
'Father of All Bombs'," it said.


Wow, are you really THAT ignorant on this matter?

"Air Blast", as I have already stated, does NOT mean "fuel air".

Our bomb, the MOAB, is a CONVENTIONAL bomb that is blown up JUST ABOVE the ground as to make sure the majority of the energy isn't used in making a big hole.

Their bomb is a FAE, or Fuel Air Explosive, where the first charge detonated dispersing the fuel, and the second charge ignited the fuel, making the explosion.











Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:


No one here knows how well the Russian weapon can be aimed. There are a couple of heavy payload, guided parachute systems around, so it's perfectly acceptable to think that any or all parachute deployed weapons can be guided to their target as they need to be.
True, they are around, but so far from what I've read, their bomb is much like our old daisy cutter--- a dumb bomb that relies HEAVILY on the precise placement of the aircraft.

Quote It wouldn't be too hard to have a drogue chuts slow the weapon and stabalise it for a long frop, to have the delivery 'chute deploy at lower altitudes.
Again, true and I have never said any different.

Quote The MOAB uses a fairly conventional mix of RDX, TNT, and aluminum.
It's called H6.


Quote On the "We iz da Gratest!" USA Airforce chant, well, they're not. They don't have the most time in the cockpit. This was reported widely a while ago, th average time for a USAF pilot per year is 200 hours. INDIA give their pilots 250 hours per year....


You're saying we're not the best SIMPLY because they have 50 more hours, but something you have to keep in mind is this:   They have fewer pilots and fewer planes. Our pilots have less of actual cockpit time because we have more pilots to do the flying.

Also, it's NOT simply time behind the stick... a lot of a pilots training is also in simulation, PLUS we have them doing active combat sorties.

I'd much rather have a war veteran of 200 hours then some guy that's never dropped a bomb in combat with 250 hours.

Quote The F22 is, on paper, a fantastic aeroplane. Just don't try fly it over the international date line. This calls for a two week down time while they upgrade the software. IF they forgot something as simple and elemental as that, what else are they forgetting? There also aren't that many of them on the planet. Whats it, one squadron?


1) Not just on paper, in realily.

"In June 2006 during Exercise Northern Edge (Alaska's largest joint military training exercise), the F-22A achieved a 144-to-zero kill-to-loss ratio against F-15s, F-16s and F/A-18s simulating MiG-29 'Fulcrums', Su-30 'Flankers', and other current front line Russian aircraft, which outnumbered the F-22A 5 to 1 at times."


2) And where on earth did you get the 2 week downtime idea in your head? It was 48 hours. And hell, we had 60 years to prepare for Y2k, things like that happen and get overlooked, but corrected quickly.

3) Way more then just 1 squadron... there are about 100 already built.

Quote No one here knows the survivability of a BlackJack, but I'm willing to bet it's at least an order of magnitude heigher than that of a C-130.


And no one has said any differet, and there is no reason to: A C-130 is a cargo plane while a BlackJack is a strategic bomber.

Quote But then comes the next moot point. None of these weapons are designed to be used against echother. They have both been developed for use in conflicts where one side has air superiority
It's not a moot point, it is EXACTLY the point I stated.





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Linus was a bomb expert in the marines. 
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Yea... you should use your miraculous "front and center" skills and check out EOD school sometime.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Yea... you should use your miraculous "front and center" skills and check out EOD school sometime.


They let you play with bombs during your week?
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Actually, we made MRE bombs well before I went to basic.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Actually, we made MRE bombs well before I went to basic.



That is where the explosive expertize came from.

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Funny... when I'm right, both you and carl resort to personal attacks.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Funny... when I'm right, both you and carl resort to personal attacks.


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Yea... you should use your miraculous "front and center" skills...



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Eye of the beholder... who are you to say I wasn't being serious in saying you should check out EOD school? Watching bombs blow up all day is fun.

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