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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

I'm happy to live in a country where I don't need to carry a gun on me...

I am happy to live in a country that fully supports my right to carry a gun if I choose to.
My point exactly.

huh?

My point was that I'm happy that I live in a country that doesn't allow everyone to carry a concealed gun.

Yes, because laws against handguns are always obeyed by criminals and anyone who wanted to carry one for nefarious purposes would most certainly decide not to do so once they realized that they couldn't do it legally.

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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

I'm happy to live in a country where I don't need to carry a gun on me...

I am happy to live in a country that fully supports my right to carry a gun if I choose to.
My point exactly.

huh?

My point was that I'm happy that I live in a country that doesn't allow everyone to carry a concealed gun.

Yes, because laws against handguns are always obeyed by criminals and anyone who wanted to carry one for nefarious purposes would most certainly decide not to do so once they realized that they couldn't do it legally.

Ok... so why does your country have an exponentially greater number of murders per capita?

Edited by carl_the_sniper - 06 September 2007 at 11:44am
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I think I sort of see his point...I emphasize the sort of part...

Carrying a handgun is a valid right, IMO, with a proper license, but at the same time in a situation where you're on the street and someone makes an attempt on your life, odds are you won't have time or reflexes to use it. Defending yourself with a handgun does require a little bit of timing to work properly.

I really just want the gun to keep in my truck, namely because I travel alot. It's just good to have a little protection with you. However, with a law they passed last week (I'm way too lazy to look it up right now), in certain wording your vehicle is made an extension of your house. An officer was telling me that by that reasoning, technically you really don't have to have a CHL to carry a handgun in your car/truck, as long as you're of legal age to own it. I'm not going to take that chance, and besides as I said it helps me skip the background check when buying a gun.

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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

I'm happy to live in a country where I don't need to carry a gun on me...

I am happy to live in a country that fully supports my right to carry a gun if I choose to.
My point exactly.

huh?

My point was that I'm happy that I live in a country that doesn't allow everyone to carry a concealed gun.

Yes, because laws against handguns are always obeyed by criminals and anyone who wanted to carry one for nefarious purposes would most certainly decide not to do so once they realized that they couldn't do it legally.

Ok... so why does your country have an exponentially greater number of murders per capita?

Yeah, because all murders are committed with a handgun.

 



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CCW debate. Ready. Go. Seemingly more prevalent than religious and abortion debates, but equally filled with lulz.
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Congrats on picking a great weapon. I would have grabbed the Sig myself, but Sigs are not lefty friendly..so I overpaid for a HK. The Sig Pro series is IMHO just about the best there is when it comes to polymer guns.   The recol is good, fit and finish are excellent. Its reliable and easy to field strip.
Just make sure you grab plenty of ammo and extra mags(before the 08 elections!!). I shop(via the net) at MidwayUSA.com, or CDNN investments. Both stores have great prices, and a good supply on hand. As far as a CCW debate lets keep it to the 101 other threads concerning it.    
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Originally posted by CarbineKid CarbineKid wrote:

Congrats on picking a great weapon. I would have grabbed the Sig myself, but Sigs are not lefty friendly..so I overpaid for a HK. The Sig Pro series is IMHO just about the best there is when it comes to polymer guns.   The recol is good, fit and finish are excellent. Its reliable and easy to field strip.
Just make sure you grab plenty of ammo and extra mags(before the 08 elections!!). I shop(via the net) at MidwayUSA.com, or CDNN investments. Both stores have great prices, and a good supply on hand. As far as a CCW debate lets keep it to the 101 other threads concerning it.    

You got a great gun with H&K man-again, my dream pistol. You just don't get any better, and certainly not more accurate. What I love about HK is that you get a competetion grade gun in a duty grade package-reliability and extreme accuracy.

Yeah, I plan on buying several mags for it, thanks for the site tips I'll check them out. I bought some cheap 9 dollar a box Wolf ammo for plinking, and some of the relatively expensive Hydra Shok's as defense rounds. 



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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by PaiNTbALLfReNzY PaiNTbALLfReNzY wrote:

Sig Arms makes some great firearms. My father is on the Los Angeles Sherriffs Department and wanted to carry a Sig as his "duty weapon" I guess you would call it. The Department had some weak ass rules for why they couldn't use him, so he has a choice between Beretta and H&K.

Most of Texas uses the Sig P226 as their duty weapon. That's awesome if you're dad gets to carry an H&K-if I could have afforded it, that's one of favorite handguns. The cheapest USP's I could find ran anywhere from $800-$950, it was crazy.



My dad's department just recently switched from the H&K guns they used to carry, to Glocks. He said he couldn't be happier.  The USP's they used to carry were much heavier, AND more expensive.

The standard issue now is the 9mm for most of the force, ie. uniformed, administrative, etc. And the Detectives and my dad's drug unit carry the .45's
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:


Yeah, I plan on buying several mags for it, thanks for the site tips I'll check them out. I bought some cheap 9 dollar a box Wolf ammo for plinking, and some of the relatively expensive Hydra Shok's as defense rounds.


CDNN does not have any listed, midway has them for $34.99 a piece. Its not the greatest price, but I don't think you will find a Factory Sig mag for less. The guys over at the Sig Forum would know better than I.
Heres a pic of the model I have. The P2000


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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Ok... so why does your country have an exponentially greater number of murders per capita?


The chinese lead-based toys drive the people on insane murderous killing sprees.
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My uncle has a P226, .357 Sig. Beautiful gun, and since the rounds are necked, it seldom, if ever, jams. Also, the kick is very manageable. The safety is very secure, and easy and convenient to operate. Two thumbs up for the P226. Can't say anything about yours though, just I know Sigs are nice guns.


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I thought only the 229 was chambered in .357 Sig?  That's the handgun carried by the Secret Service.
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Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

I thought only the 229 was chambered in .357 Sig? That's the handgun carried by the Secret Service.

Nope the 229 was designed for the .40 S&W. It also comes in 357 and 9mm.

Sigs P229 page
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Pistol Wallpaper page..great pics


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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

I'm happy to live in a country where I don't need to carry a gun on me...

I am happy to live in a country that fully supports my right to carry a gun if I choose to.
My point exactly.

huh?

My point was that I'm happy that I live in a country that doesn't allow everyone to carry a concealed gun.

Yes, because laws against handguns are always obeyed by criminals and anyone who wanted to carry one for nefarious purposes would most certainly decide not to do so once they realized that they couldn't do it legally.

Ok... so why does your country have an exponentially greater number of murders per capita?

Yeah, because all murders are committed with a handgun.

Umm...

Number of murders using firearms per capita:

United States: 2.8  per 100,000 pop

Canada: 0.5 per 100,000 people

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Originally posted by CarbineKid CarbineKid wrote:

Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

I thought only the 229 was chambered in .357 Sig? That's the handgun carried by the Secret Service.

Nope the 229 was designed for the .40 S&W. It also comes in 357 and 9mm.

Sigs P229 page
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Yeah, I wasn't quite sure.
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Violent Crimes
US: 475 per 100,000
Canada: 963 per 100,000


Sexual Assault Crimes
US: 32.1 per 100,000
Canada: 74 per 100,000


Assaulte Rate
US: 295 per 100,000
Canada: 746 per 100,000


Enjoy the ride back to Canada on your high horse. Just be careful you don't get assaulted or raped when ya cross the border.
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Now, I generally caution against using crime stats out of context, but Meph - it would seem that your stats support Carl's point.

If Canada has higher assualt rates but lower murder rates, would that not support the thesis that guns convert assaults into homicide?

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Originally posted by Canada National Post Article Canada National Post Article wrote:

 America's crime problem has dramatically improved, while Canada's is becoming seriously worse. Toronto's 78 homicides in 2005 appears to compare favorably to the homicide totals of the three American cities cited by the Star. But those 78 Toronto homicides in 2005 represent a 28% increase over the 61 homicides recorded in Toronto in 1995. Meanwhile, the three U.S. cities cited by the Star each achieved dramatic decreases over the past decade: Chicago down 46% from 823, Washington down 46% from 365, Baltimore down 17% from 322.

Originally posted by About.com About.com wrote:

The number of most serious violent crimes increased in 2006, including attempted murders, aggravated assaults, and assaults with a weapon/causing bodily harm.

The rate of robberies rose six percent, and about one out of every eight robberies involved a firearm.

 

 

 



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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Carrying a handgun is a valid right, IMO, with a proper license, but at the same time in a situation where you're on the street and someone makes an attempt on your life, odds are you won't have time or reflexes to use it. Defending yourself with a handgun does require a little bit of timing to work properly.

Most intelligent post I have seen in a CCW thread here in a long time.

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