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Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

 You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to STOP.  If you go into court and testify that you shot somebody to kill them, you're stringing yourself up for a murder charge.

I'm going to have to call shens on your legal theory there...



I believe the not shooting to kill things is actually more for the Military, its stupid i think they say you shoot to remove them from the battlefield, but if they live they heal and come back.If i made the decision on that matter, they would be shooting some nice hollow points.

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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

 You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to STOP.  If you go into court and testify that you shot somebody to kill them, you're stringing yourself up for a murder charge.

I'm going to have to call shens on your legal theory there...

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Hey they make sights for all you guys who shoot gangsta style. I never shoot limp wristed...it causes too many failures...especially in certain models(Glock)
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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Wrong.  You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to STOP.  If you go into court and testify that you shot somebody to kill them, you're stringing yourself up for a murder charge.

I'd say stop and kill are pretty interchangeable words in this discussion. As I said before, I'm no expert, but a double tap to the chest with the right ammunition will take down just about anybody, but you stand a good chance of a lethal hit to a vital organ-namely your lungs. Bullets are made to kill, so in technicality (and in court), anytime you fire one or more into a person, you've shot to kill.

Of course, you're absolutely right, you never give the impression of premeditated murder. That's what the court's going to try and throw at you in any case like this-they'll do their best to prove you could have prevented/avoided the escalation, or that you were itching to shoot somebody in the first place.

I'd caution alot of the younger people on my side of the debate to be careful-you go around talking smack about your .44 tucking in your truck, and how you're ready and willing to kill if necessary, and those words will come back to haunt you if you ever use lethal force against another human being. When you kill in self-defense, you walk the line of murder the whole way.

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Originally posted by ANARCHY_SCOUT ANARCHY_SCOUT wrote:

Originally posted by Shub Shub wrote:

Originally posted by Nuclear Nuclear wrote:


Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You're a better man than me-I'm very handicapped to my right side.
I'm left handed, schools and such often taught right handed ways so i can do most anything with either hand, quite ambidextrous.


I have to back Nuke on that. I am left handed, and I think all left handed people are ambidextrous to a certain degree, because most things are designed in a way to be used right handed.
I am also left handed. I learned how to play guitar righty, hit a baseball righty and hold my lacrosse stick righty ect... We are quite the skillfull people.


I'm a lefty and I learned Bass with my Right Hand, well... I do everything right handed except throw, bat, and eat.
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Quote have you read any of stratoaxe's posts. THERE IS NO WARNING SHOT!!!! You shoot to kill only when necessary.  Guns are made to kill people not negotiate.

Wrong.  You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to STOP.  If you go into court and testify that you shot somebody to kill them, you're stringing yourself up for a murder charge.



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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You're a better man than me-I'm very handicapped to my right side.
I'm left handed, schools and such often taught right handed ways so i can do most anything with either hand, quite ambidextrous.


I have to back Nuke on that. I am left handed, and I think all left handed people are ambidextrous to a certain degree, because most things are designed in a way to be used right handed.
I am also left handed. I learned how to play guitar righty, hit a baseball righty and hold my lacrosse stick righty ect... We are quite the skillfull people.
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Originally posted by Nuclear Nuclear wrote:


Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You're a better man than me-I'm very handicapped to my right side.
I'm left handed, schools and such often taught right handed ways so i can do most anything with either hand, quite ambidextrous.


I have to back Nuke on that. I am left handed, and I think all left handed people are ambidextrous to a certain degree, because most things are designed in a way to be used right handed.
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When I travel through mountainous areas or places of questionable hillbilly population, I usually keep a gun in the vehicle. I don't want to get ate by crazy cannible hillbillys



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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You're a better man than me-I'm very handicapped to my right side.


I'm left handed, schools and such often taught right handed ways so i can do most anything with either hand, quite ambidextrous.
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You're a better man than me-I'm very handicapped to my right side.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Just as an experiment Nuclear, I'm assuming you've got at least one pistol around you can shoot, take it out and fire it like normal from your prominent hand. Notice that if you've shot even a few clips out of a gun with that hand, you're arm automatically adjusts to the recoil and brings your front sight back down.

Now, switch hands and fire a round off. You'll probably notice that your entire arm has a jello sensation, and unless you've been shooting for years, you'll end up jerking your shots way off to the side of that arm. You'll then have to recover from the side.

If you turn the gun sideways, it pulls the recoil towards your good arm. Let me simplify this-I'm right handed. When I fire offhand from the left hand, it pulls my second shot way up in the air and to the left. If I turn the gun sideways, it pulls it straight to the right, and back towards me. For alot of people, the latter is far easier to deal with in a situation where multiple shots are needed.

 



Thats just it, i have been shooting since i was a kid,i usually practice shooting both hands and eyes, not a bad skill to have.
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Just as an experiment Nuclear, I'm assuming you've got at least one pistol around you can shoot, take it out and fire it like normal from your prominent hand. Notice that if you've shot even a few clips out of a gun with that hand, you're arm automatically adjusts to the recoil and brings your front sight back down.

Now, switch hands and fire a round off. You'll probably notice that your entire arm has a jello sensation, and unless you've been shooting for years, you'll end up jerking your shots way off to the side of that arm. You'll then have to recover from the side.

If you turn the gun sideways, it pulls the recoil towards your good arm. Let me simplify this-I'm right handed. When I fire offhand from the left hand, it pulls my second shot way up in the air and to the left. If I turn the gun sideways, it pulls it straight to the right, and back towards me. For alot of people, the latter is far easier to deal with in a situation where multiple shots are needed.

 

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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

No, you don't understand-Dune is referring to your weaker hand. If you need to fire multiple shots off one hand (assuming your shooting hand is incapacitated) that isn't used to handling recoil, it disperses the recoil backwards instead of up. It makes it easier to recover shots. Recoil from an offhand shot is generally pretty heavy, even with lower caliber pistols.

Of course, if you're just using it to look cool, it's an easy way to scatter your shot pattern from here to Mexico.




I suppose, but i can shoot either handed, learned a coo lway to do it with a rifle at a police training class.
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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

I definitely side with Strato, he knows what he's talking about, and obviously had some firing time with his weak hand. Although it may look stupid, it will suprise you.


Not saying it won't help recoil, i'm saying its not safe around other people.
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No, you don't understand-Dune is referring to your weaker hand. If you need to fire multiple shots off one hand (assuming your shooting hand is incapacitated) that isn't used to handling recoil, it disperses the recoil backwards instead of up. It makes it easier to recover shots. Recoil from an offhand shot is generally pretty heavy, even with lower caliber pistols.

Of course, if you're just using it to look cool, it's an easy way to scatter your shot pattern from here to Mexico.

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I definitely side with Strato, he knows what he's talking about, and obviously had some firing time with his weak hand. Although it may look stupid, it will suprise you.
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When I travel through mountainous areas or places of questionable hillbilly population, I usually keep a gun in the vehicle. I don't want to get ate by crazy cannible hillbillys
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