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A good lawyer could punch holes in that so fast.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Apparently you guys don't get the reasoning behind this law.

It's just like getting pulled over for having dice on your rear-view mirror.


It's for when they see a car leave a known drug area, they have a basis to pull them over, talk to them, run the ID for possible warrants, and they might even see/smell some drugs or see something suspicious the driver or the passenger does.



As for this, it gives them the ability to stop, with legal reason, a pedestrian and talk to them. Then while in the discussion they can see if the person starts acting weird and they can take it from there. If not, then they will send the person on their way.

Pretty smart.

So legalized profiling?

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You know, i am going to get flamed for this but it's how i feel.

I think they should use profiling to help bust crime, other countries do it and it has payed off before.If being biased towards someone can save life's then do it.
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The world is in a downward spiral of stupidity as of late. This is just one of many offenses.
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Originally posted by Nuclear Nuclear wrote:

You know, i am going to get flamed for this but it's how i feel.I think they should use profiling to help bust crime, other countries do it and it has payed off before.If being biased towards someone can save life's then do it.


Its in the Constitution. Equal under law or soemthing like that.
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Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Apparently you guys don't get the reasoning behind this law. It's just like getting pulled over for having dice on your rear-view mirror. It's for when they see a car leave a known drug area, they have a basis to pull them over, talk to them, run the ID for possible warrants, and they might even see/smell some drugs or see something suspicious the driver or the passenger does. As for this, it gives them the ability to stop, with legal reason, a pedestrian and talk to them. Then while in the discussion they can see if the person starts acting weird and they can take it from there. If not, then they will send the person on their way. Pretty smart.


So legalized profiling?



Profiling against what, people wearing loose fitting clothes?

I'd like to see a lawyer use that argument.



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Let's not forget that profiling, to a certain extent, is an integral part of investigation.

I'm going to start a flame fest with this one-I think that if you're going to dress and act like a gang member, you should be treated like one.

 

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WOW........JUST WOW......
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I agree 100% with gatyr and yes it is profiling linus.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Apparently you guys don't get the reasoning behind this law. It's just like getting pulled over for having dice on your rear-view mirror. It's for when they see a car leave a known drug area, they have a basis to pull them over, talk to them, run the ID for possible warrants, and they might even see/smell some drugs or see something suspicious the driver or the passenger does. As for this, it gives them the ability to stop, with legal reason, a pedestrian and talk to them. Then while in the discussion they can see if the person starts acting weird and they can take it from there. If not, then they will send the person on their way. Pretty smart.


So legalized profiling?



Profiling against what, people wearing loose fitting clothes?

I'd like to see a lawyer use that argument.




And I'd like to see a lawyer try and deny the generally viewed connection between certain clothing styles and certain social groups or races.

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So you can profile saying it only pertains to certain social groups and races? Hypocrite.



Again, you guys are totally oblivious to my original statement... it is just another tool given to LEO's to help them combat crimes, just like all the minor traffic infractions that can be viewed as dumb, yet they are still law.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

So you can profile saying it only pertains to certain social groups and races? Hypocrite.



Again, you guys are totally oblivious to my original statement... it is just another tool given to LEO's to help them combat crimes, just like all the minor traffic infractions that can be viewed as dumb, yet they are still law.


Where the hell did I EVER say that anyone should be allowed to profile? 


And no, it's not the same as "minor traffic infractions."  Last time I checked, anything involving your vehicle has to do with operating a multi-ton vehicle and keeping others safe.

When's the last time you heard about a 6 year old being run over by a pair of sagging pants?
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Then it should be equal.  A girl showing too much skin should be able to be questioned, to help combat prostitution.

I know you're all up on the cop thing , Linus, but please don't try to deny that this law is just stupid.
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Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Then it should be equal.  A girl showing too much skin should be able to be questioned, to help combat prostitution.

I know you're all up on the cop thing , Linus, but please don't try to deny that this law is just stupid.


That all depends on what "all up on the cop thing means." 

He swings on the Marine's nuts after being "medically unfit" for service. Hell, he's a self-proclaimed expert there.

I suppose his gut-wrenching ride-along have made him an expert in police work as well.
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(I am by no means proclaiming to know much in this field... that's Dunes responsibility)


Again, look at my original post. Let it sink in.

99% of cops wont write you a ticket just for having saggy pants. Now, if you're an ass to them, then yes they will. I don't blame them.

It's another tool in their arsenal. It allows them to stop people that they suspect of doing wrong in order to get further information.


And yes, cops profile, it's part of their job. What, they can't think that a lady walking in circles on a dark street just MIGHT be a prostitute? They can't think that a car leaving a known drug house just MIGHT have taken part in a drug deal?


Originally posted by USAF USAF wrote:

And I'd like to see a lawyer try and deny the generally viewed connection between certain clothing styles and certain social groups or races.
That right there is profiling. You automatically think about a certain group when you see certain clothing.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:





Originally posted by USAF USAF wrote:

And I'd like to see a lawyer try and deny the generally viewed connection between certain clothing styles and certain social groups or races.
That right there is profiling. You automatically think about a certain group when you see certain clothing.


No. It seems like a know-it-all like you would at least take the time to understand how "profiling" applies to the laws surrounding police work.

  If a law like this is simply being enacted to allow the search of a certain group of people, like you have said. It is unconstitutional, and will be considered an illegal profiling. 

Simply acknowledging a cultural, not racial, "stereotype" or fad, is not profiling.  Acting on those things is.




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No that is just a stupid explanation to use a stupid law so cops can meet their ticket quota at the end of the month.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:




Originally posted by USAF USAF wrote:

And I'd like to see a lawyer try and deny the generally viewed connection between certain clothing styles and certain social groups or races.
That right there is profiling. You automatically think about a certain group when you see certain clothing.


And that is an okay thing because?
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Originally posted by heliumman77 heliumman77 wrote:

No that is just a stupid explanation to use a stupid law so cops can meet their ticket quota at the end of the month.


News flash, ticket quotas aren't real. 
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Personally I think they are but no matter what It is a stupid law.
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