![]() |
High Times for the CA State Legislature |
Post Reply
|
Page 123 10> |
| Author | ||
High Voltage
Platinum Member
Fire in the disco Joined: 12 March 2003 Location: 127.0.0.1 Status: Offline Points: 14178 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Topic: High Times for the CA State LegislaturePosted: 08 August 2007 at 8:08am |
|
|
Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Thoughts and opinions anyone? Personally, I say go for it. |
||
|
||
![]() |
||
little devil
Member
one language strike, 2/23/10 Joined: 29 June 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 977 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 8:22am |
|
|
Link wont work for me. I dunno?
|
||
![]() |
||
Skillet42565
Platinum Member
Actuarry it’s Skirret Joined: 25 December 2004 Location: Liechtenstein Status: Offline Points: 9556 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 8:22am |
|
|
LOL MARY JANE
|
||
|
||
![]() |
||
Gatyr
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - Begging for strikes Joined: 06 July 2003 Location: Austin, Tx Status: Offline Points: 10298 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 9:01am |
|
|
HIGH times!! GEDDIT?!?
Page doesn't work for me either. |
||
|
||
![]() |
||
brihard
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - Making stuff up Joined: 05 September 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 10148 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:06pm |
|
|
Page works for me.
Rather reasonable, actually. I agree with their position. Treat pot like alcohol. |
||
|
"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
||
![]() |
||
Benjichang
Platinum Member
I pwned Leroy Jenkins! Joined: 03 January 2004 Location: R'lyeh Status: Offline Points: 12519 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:13pm |
|
|
I hope they go for it as well. If California legalizes pot and it works, then the rest of the country could follow.
|
||
|
||
![]() |
||
Linus
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - language 6.29.10 Joined: 10 November 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7908 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:15pm |
|
|
From another debate on another paintball forum
|
||
![]() |
||
High Voltage
Platinum Member
Fire in the disco Joined: 12 March 2003 Location: 127.0.0.1 Status: Offline Points: 14178 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:18pm |
|
For those who can't get the link to work..
stopthedrugwar.org wrote:Press Release: Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: August 6, 2007 Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars August 6 -- A coalition of California marijuana growers and dealers has offered Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger one billion dollars to solve the current state budget crisis. The group, calling itself Let Us Pay Taxes makes the offer through its web site LetUsPayTaxes.com. The offer comes at a time when the California legislature is deadlocked on a new budget and California has stopped issuing checks for vitally needed social services. Legislators are currently arguing over which programs will be cut in order to balance the budget. “It is ridiculous that California can’t pay its bills,” said spokesman Clifford Schaffer. “It is a tragedy that they will cut badly needed services and programs such as medical care for the elderly and prison drug treatment when the money to fund all these programs and more is there and available. Everyone who is currently waiting for a check from the state should be enraged at this foolishness.” Regulation and taxation of marijuana could produce six billion dollars in additional tax revenue, according to economic studies linked from their web site LetUsPayTaxes.com. In addition, it could save up to ten billion dollars in enforcement costs. “That is a conservative estimate,” said Schaffer. “By other estimates, the revenues could be five times that. The economists are with us all the way on this one. Marijuana prohibition is an economic disaster.” “Let’s face reality,” Schaffer says. “Marijuana legalization is inevitable. The situation is already beyond control in California. The state and local authorities have offered safe harbor for medical marijuana use and the Federal Government simply doesn’t have the resources for effective control.” More importantly, says Schaffer, the operators of the medical marijuana clubs are no longer afraid of the Federal Government. “If you talk to them, you will find that they know they are going to win this battle. They know that the DEA is vastly outnumbered and can’t begin to prosecute all of them. The few that are prosecuted are accepting their fate as martyrs because they know that what they are doing is right. They are willing to sacrifice themselves to make the point that the Federal Government has just gone too far in interfering with very personal and private decisions. There is no way the DEA is going to win this battle. At this point, it is all over but the counting of the money – and the victims of the DEA.” Schaffer went on to say that the national market for marijuana has been estimated from a low of ten billion dollars per year to more than fifty billion dollars per year. “The first states to regulate and tax marijuana will receive an economic bonanza bigger than the original California Gold Rush,” says Schaffer. “Some states will get rich like the Saudis.” Schaffer predicts that it will not take long for some local areas to wake up to the economic possibilities. “We are talking potentially big bucks here,” he said. “The Canadians are already starting to take note of a cannabis-fueled economic boom in some areas. Politicians can’t resist fresh cash, especially when it is coming to their local community. There will be big winners and losers here. The winners will be the ones who recognize the foregone conclusion first.” The group also cites foreign terrorism as a reason to regulate and tax marijuana. “Drug Czar John Walters is being dishonest when he says that marijuana money goes to criminals and terrorists. The only reason any of that money goes to criminals or terrorists is because of the prohibition that Walters supports,” said Schaffer. “Marijuana prohibition makes criminals rich just like alcohol prohibition did. The criminals are now so rich and powerful that they can challenge the legitimate governments of their own countries. There is no reason to send billions of dollars per year to foreign criminal gangs when patriotic Americans make the best products in the world. There is no reason to suffer such a huge foreign trade deficit when that money could be providing jobs and funding badly needed services right here in the USA.” Let Us Pay Taxes calls upon all US citizens to sign their petition at their web site http://LetUsPayTaxes.com and press the issue with their lawmakers. “Take the money, please,” said Schaffer. “These people want to contribute. Now it is up to our politicians to tell us why they want to send those billions to foreign criminal gangs rather than to their own voters.” |
||
|
||
![]() |
||
brihard
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - Making stuff up Joined: 05 September 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 10148 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:23pm |
|
|
So long as smoking and drinking are legal (as if a great many people don't drink just to get drunk- massive shens on that one), pot ought to be as well.
I've never touched the stuff. Never will. Plenty of my friends have, and do- generally quite occasionally. They haven't turned into burnouts or losers, and moreover they use it far less frequently than most people usetobacco and or alcohol. The arguments about packaging, distribution and productiona re valid ONLY because it currently is illegal. Legalize it, and a regular industry will grow almost overnight-likely very similar in nature to the tobacco industry. I don't believe it's cost effective to fight pot. It's such a trivial problem that wasting tax dollars and limited police resources on it is almost inexcusable. A general package of legislation ought to be introduced to treat pot the same as other currently legal substances. License it, tax it, restrict its use and regulate production and quality. Usage might increase somewhat, but probably not too much. Besides that, I don't think the government has a place telling people what they can and cannot ingest; it's a matter of free choice to me, despite my choosing not to. |
||
|
"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
||
![]() |
||
Linus
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - language 6.29.10 Joined: 10 November 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7908 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:26pm |
|
So Crack, Cocain, Meth, Heroin, X, PCP.. they should all be legal? Edited by Linus - 08 August 2007 at 2:26pm |
||
![]() |
||
High Voltage
Platinum Member
Fire in the disco Joined: 12 March 2003 Location: 127.0.0.1 Status: Offline Points: 14178 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:33pm |
|
Get this crap out of my thread.. I was going to post a point by point rebuttal but after reading it all and especially that last paragraph I have come to the conclusion that this person has done NO research. He has never experienced marijuana, nor does he understand its effects. I mean hey, I can just type a bunch of crap and hope people take it as fact too. |
||
|
||
![]() |
||
Linus
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - language 6.29.10 Joined: 10 November 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7908 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:37pm |
|
|
HV, not once did I say it was fact, not once did I say I believed it... good job jumping to conclusions though. I put it up there for discussion.
But you cannot deny that marijuana (the illicit kind) is used for 1 purpose.. to get high. Alcohol is used to get drunk, yes, but it has other purposes too. Church anyone? Wine tasting? Edited by Linus - 08 August 2007 at 2:37pm |
||
![]() |
||
High Voltage
Platinum Member
Fire in the disco Joined: 12 March 2003 Location: 127.0.0.1 Status: Offline Points: 14178 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:58pm |
|
|
Right, it's not like marijuana has other purposes like easing nausea..
And Linus, why post meaningless babble(copypasta at that..) in a thread such as this? I wanted YOUR opinion, not some loser on another paintball forum who has never made an attempt to learn anything before trying to get his point accross. That's why I said "Thoughts and opinions anyone?" I want this forum's opinion on the matter. Back on topic.. |
||
|
||
![]() |
||
Mehs
Platinum Member
An Hero Joined: 27 March 2004 Location: Neutral Zone Status: Offline Points: 3897 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 2:58pm |
|
There is a big difference between Marijuana and the drugs in which you listed. Marijuana really does not harm the user at all (minus the lungs, if they do not eat it/use a vaporizer), while Crack just gets the user super addicted where they ruin their life, body, and mind as well, same with Coke (I have seen lives ruined by it, a girl I know who sucks men off for a bit of blow), Meth gets people super addicted, where it is impossible for them to stop, and they can do terrible things to their mind and body, such as scratch little spots on them which turns into a huge cut, ect. Heroin is a terrible drug, it gets the user super addicted, and it makes it almost impossible for them to stop because the feeling is so great, and they have extreme withdrawals because of it, which can only be cured by more use. Because of this, a lot of heroin users attempt to kill themselves. MDMA is a little different, it just drains all of the serotonin (sp?) in the brain, which apparently comes back, but I need to do more research on it, but the majority of the MDMA is not in pure form, so it usually comes with other things too, sometimes even meth. Trying PCP is like setting one foot in the grave, because you go insane for awhile, a lot of the times when you watch cops, and you see a naked black man running down a street with a sword, he's on PCP. Marijuana should be legalized, but not these other drugs. |
||
|
[IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg">
Squeeze Box ☣ |
||
![]() |
||
Linus
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - language 6.29.10 Joined: 10 November 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7908 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 3:00pm |
|
Right becuase I didn't say "the illicit kind" at all in my post... And Mehs, that comment was to Brihard saying people should do what they choose, slightly OT from the marijuana topic, but I wanted to know his take on it. My opinion is this: Medical marijuana-- Should be one of the last choices to do, not the end all be all of choices. There are other drugs that can help that don't have that stigma attached to them. IE.. I am fine with it for medical purposes. Recreational marijuana-- Should not be allowed. Edited by Linus - 08 August 2007 at 3:02pm |
||
![]() |
||
White o Light
Platinum Member
Guested. blatant pornographic post Joined: 12 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2772 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 3:02pm |
|
Linus, it's too late to hide the fact that you agree with all you posted. And no it doesn't just have 1 use, to get high, to relieve the pain of cancer patients, and other medical uses. You are so misinformed it hurts. My mom used to work in the bone marrow transplant branch of a hospital and she had many patients that the only time they weren't in excruciating pain was when they were given THC pills, It is a very good thing. Linus get your facts, then come back. |
||
|
||
![]() |
||
Linus
Platinum Member
Strike 1 - language 6.29.10 Joined: 10 November 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7908 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 3:04pm |
|
|
Wow, are you illiterate or what?
I said the ILLICIT kind has only one purpose. You even quoted that part. Learn to read, then come back. Edited by Linus - 08 August 2007 at 3:05pm |
||
![]() |
||
High Voltage
Platinum Member
Fire in the disco Joined: 12 March 2003 Location: 127.0.0.1 Status: Offline Points: 14178 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 3:05pm |
|
|
Linus, try to pick up on the conversation afoot here.. I'm talking about marijuana as a whole. I'm fairly certain that where there are no medical marijuana laws (allowing its use), people still use it illicitly to achieve the same effects.
And for the love of god, stop throwing around the word illicit just to try to single out stoners. Focus on the topic, marijuana, not just illicit use. Which, under federal law, is all illegal. Edited by High Voltage - 08 August 2007 at 3:08pm |
||
|
||
![]() |
||
Mehs
Platinum Member
An Hero Joined: 27 March 2004 Location: Neutral Zone Status: Offline Points: 3897 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 3:07pm |
|
So what is your stance on alcohol use/tobacco use? Those should not be allowed? People use tobacco to get a tobacco buzz/high, college kids drink beer to get drunk, people smoke marijuana to get high as well, which makes me believe that your stance makes no sense at all. Out of alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, marijuana is actually the LEAST harmful substance out of the three, so why must it remain illegal, while the more harmful substances remain legal? |
||
|
[IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg">
Squeeze Box ☣ |
||
![]() |
||
Benjichang
Platinum Member
I pwned Leroy Jenkins! Joined: 03 January 2004 Location: R'lyeh Status: Offline Points: 12519 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 08 August 2007 at 3:13pm |
|
|
Linus, quit spouting crap you watch on the O'Reilly Factor, or whatever it is you get your "facts" from.
|
||
|
||
![]() |
||
Post Reply
|
Page 123 10> |
|
Tweet
|
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |