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Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:


Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:



Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Some smoke does cause cancer, yes.
Marijuana smoke is not one of them, and as stated before it has been proven to
prevent cancer in some cases.

Link.
Counter-linkAnd mine isn't from 1996.


Counter counter link... and mine isn't from 2006. More like 8 days ago.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291735,00.html

You seriously have to be ignorant to think that inhaling smoke continuously and directly from the source has no adverse effects on your body.

Anyone notice that most of the sites saying it doesn't cause cancer are ones that are pro-legalization?


And here's another one
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=22473
Originally posted by From link From link wrote:


One of these carcinogens is benzyprene. Benzyprene is in the tar of both tobacco and cannabis cigarettes. We know that benzyprene causes cancer. It alters a gene called p53, which is a tumour suppressor gene. We know that 3 out of 4 lung cancers (75%) are linked to this gene. The p53 gene is also linked to many other cancers.

Cannabis also contains a substance called THC (tetrahydrocanabinol). It is the THC in the cannabis that alters your mood and behaviour. The amount of THC in a cannabis cigarette varies considerably. Researchers have shown that THC causes benzpyrene to promote the p53 gene to alter.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:


Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:



Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Some smoke does cause cancer, yes.
Marijuana smoke is not one of them, and as stated before it has been proven to
prevent cancer in some cases.

Link.
Counter-linkAnd mine isn't from 1996.


Counter counter link... and mine isn't from 2006. More like 8 days ago.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291735,00.html

You seriously have to be ignorant to think that inhaling smoke continuously and directly from the source has no adverse effects on your body.

Anyone notice that most of the sites saying it doesn't cause cancer are ones that are pro-legalization?


And here's another one
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=22473
Originally posted by From link From link wrote:


One of these carcinogens is benzyprene. Benzyprene is in the tar of both tobacco and cannabis cigarettes. We know that benzyprene causes cancer. It alters a gene called p53, which is a tumour suppressor gene. We know that 3 out of 4 lung cancers (75%) are linked to this gene. The p53 gene is also linked to many other cancers.

Cannabis also contains a substance called THC (tetrahydrocanabinol). It is the THC in the cannabis that alters your mood and behaviour. The amount of THC in a cannabis cigarette varies considerably. Researchers have shown that THC causes benzpyrene to promote the p53 gene to alter.


This is the part where it is hard to tell if something is a credible source or not.  One can also say that FOXNews is Anti-Cannabis, along with the cancer society, so what someone needs to do is find a completely non-biased source.  Fox still states that 1 joint = 5 cigarettes, but from what I remember with my research, that is untrue (I really really do not feel like digging up that scholarly journal...).
Also, the cancerhelp.org website states that there are more and more potent plants out there, and again, I remember a scholarly journal with actual studies of the average amount of THC in cannabis seized by the DEA, and the levels really stayed the same.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID= 0002491F-755F-1473-B55F83414B7F0000&ref=rss


And that article says that there is no link between lung cancer and marijuana.  This is the part where I have trouble believing anything I see unless I see multiple sources cited and it is a credible resource, because there are a lot of BS studies out there.


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And more research probably needs to be done on the subject of marijuana and skin cancer, but lung cancer is what most prohibitionist claim marijuana causes.

Originally posted by 2nd Article 2nd Article wrote:

So at the moment the evidence isn't clear.  We do know that, like tobacco, cannabis contains cancer causing substances.  Therefore it would seem likely to increase cancer risk.  But we need more research to know this for sure.


Exactly,federally funded, unbiased research needs to be done.



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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:


Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:



Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Some smoke does cause cancer, yes.
Marijuana smoke is not one of them, and as stated before it has been proven to
prevent cancer in some cases.

Link.
Counter-linkAnd mine isn't from 1996.


Counter counter link... and mine isn't from 2006. More like 8 days ago.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291735,00.html

You seriously have to be ignorant to think that inhaling smoke continuously and directly from the source has no adverse effects on your body.

Anyone notice that most of the sites saying it doesn't cause cancer are ones that are pro-legalization?


And here's another one
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=22473
Originally posted by From link From link wrote:


One of these carcinogens is benzyprene. Benzyprene is in the tar of both tobacco and cannabis cigarettes. We know that benzyprene causes cancer. It alters a gene called p53, which is a tumour suppressor gene. We know that 3 out of 4 lung cancers (75%) are linked to this gene. The p53 gene is also linked to many other cancers.

Cannabis also contains a substance called THC (tetrahydrocanabinol). It is the THC in the cannabis that alters your mood and behaviour. The amount of THC in a cannabis cigarette varies considerably. Researchers have shown that THC causes benzpyrene to promote the p53 gene to alter.
Oh, gee, you mean like my link to the washington post?
And my other link to the Harvard study showing that THC reduces cancers?

I didn't think anyone would reply to reputable sources.
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Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:

Originally posted by Ticalxx421 Ticalxx421 wrote:

Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

I don't feel like showing proof to back up any of the things I've said, and honestly, I canít.

Fixed.



Heh, clever.

Here you go

Although this information is highly outdated in terms of an update, I would gladly like for anyone to provide the opposite argument, with as good of a source listing


"Marijuana damages the reproductive system"

It's True


Good job backing up your statement.

Actually the last time I had sex-ed the nurse/teacher was going over drugs and the reproductive system and she made a point to say that the only drug that doesn't hurt it is marijuana.


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Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:

. . . but lung cancer is what most prohibitionist claim marijuana causes.


Which is an absolutely lame reason for keeping marijuana illegal:
  • Tobacco (in all it's various forms) causes all kinds of nasty cancers, you don't see it being banned.  (Hint:  Tobacco companies have lots of money and "sin taxes" provide significant revenue.
  • So what if pot causes cancer.  If somebody wants to do something that has harmful side effects, that's their business.  (As long as they don't expect me to help support their later medical care or expose me to second-hand smoke.)
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As for the psychosis issue, it is still up in the air in regards to whether the psychosis is caused by marijuana, or simply that psychotic people are likely to smoke it. So far it sounds like "crazy people smoke weed, weed doesn't make you crazy"
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I hear that weed will erase all your illegally downloaded music when you install it. 

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Whale, if you want to be a Negative Nancy today, find another thread. You should try adding to the debate for once.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

As for the psychosis issue, it is still up in the air in regards to whether the psychosis is caused by marijuana, or simply that psychotic people are likely to smoke it. So far it sounds like "crazy people smoke weed, weed doesn't make you crazy"


Some people with mental disorders use marijuana to self-medicate themselves, using it as an escape from their troubled mind.
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Whale, if you want to be a Negative Nancy today, find another thread. You should try adding to the debate for once.



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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

I hear that weed will erase all your illegally downloaded music when you install it. 

Well I head a study that weed makes your penis 80% larger. DO U CARE MORE ABOUT UR MUSIC THAN UR PENIS???????////

 



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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

I hear that weed will erase all your illegally downloaded music when you install it. 

Well I head a study that weed makes your penis 80% larger. DO U CARE MORE ABOUT UR MUSIC THAN UR PENIS???????////

 



I heard if you smoke it, you can receive super powers, much like the radioactive spider did to Spider Man
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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

I hear that weed will erase all your illegally downloaded music when you install it. 

Well I head a study that weed makes your penis 80% larger. DO U CARE MORE ABOUT UR MUSIC THAN UR PENIS???????////

 



I heard if you smoke it, you can receive super powers, much like the radioactive spider did to Spider Man

True, but the side effects cause you to bleed chocolate bunnies from your ass. U DONT WANT THAT DO U.

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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

I hear that weed will erase all your illegally downloaded music when you install it. 
I lol'd.
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