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Hamilton man gets 30 years in crash death

MISSOULA, Mont. (AP) A Hamilton man convicted of causing a fatal crash here while he was high on marijuana has been sentenced to 30 years in prison.

In June, a jury convicted Patrick E. Sayers, 29, of felony vehicular homicide while under the influence and three misdemeanor counts of endangering the welfare of a child.

Court records say Sayers had smoked about two bowls of marijuana when he struck Michael Mickelson, 26, on Feb. 15 at the intersection of U.S. Highway 93 and Miller Creek Road. Sayers' three children were in the back seat of his pickup truck at the time.

Sayers' attorneys requested a 20-year sentence with 10 years suspended.

 

However, District Judge Ed McLean followed the recommendation from prosecutors and gave Sayers the maximum punishment allowed Wednesday. The sentenced was based on Sayers' driving record over the past 12 years, which included numerous convictions for driving without a valid license and driving with a suspended license.

Mickelson, also of Hamilton, was turning left onto Miller Creek Road when Sayers swerved around traffic, through the intersection and into the passenger side of Mickelson's car at about 50 mph.

The impact pushed Mickelson's vehicle off the road and onto the median. He suffered major head trauma and died a short time later.

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even though it probably did, you can't say him being high was the reason it happened. he's gotten his license suspended in the past.

plus, you have to ask yourself how the issue of driving on weed is a good argumentative factor against legalization. chances are driving under the influence would be outlawed anyway if it ever became legalized. of course people wouldn't necessarily oblige, but alcohol is still legal
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It seems to me that in situations like that, the mention of marijuana is to add to the impact, not really to explain it.
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Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

even though it probably did, you can't say him being high was the reason it happened.

I didn't say it was.  I just linked to this because someone said there were no instances of being stoned on pot linked to accidents.  Additionally, using the logic that I "can't say him being high was the reason it happened" could be applied to alcohol as well.  I.e. Well, yes he had a point-one-four BAC, but that wasn't necessarily the reason for the accident.  Maybe he was just an idiot."

he's gotten his license suspended in the past.

And it didn't say it wasn't for driving while high. 

plus, you have to ask yourself how the issue of driving on weed is a good argumentative factor against legalization.

I think it's a lame argument against legalization.  I just tossed this into the conversation for the reason mentioned earlier.

chances are driving under the influence would be outlawed anyway if it ever became legalized. of course people wouldn't necessarily oblige, but alcohol is still legal

True, and I believe in really harsh punishments for anyone who drives under the influence of anything.  If someone wants to get bombed, blitzed, or zoned out from not sleeping for 48 hours, that's their business.  When they drive in that condition, and put others at risk, then it's society's business.

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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

even though it probably did, you can't say him being high was the reason it happened.

Additionally, using the logic that I "can't say him being high was the reason it happened" could be applied to alcohol as well.  I.e. Well, yes he had a point-one-four BAC, but that wasn't necessarily the reason for the accident.  Maybe he was just an idiot."



the things is, when you take into consideration how rarely it occurs that a car wreck happens and pot is the only thing present on the scene or their system, that "logic" of mine isn't that unreasonable.
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I hear that weed is actually what killed Kennedy. 
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I hear that weed is actually what killed Kennedy.

No its the reason why he drove off a bridge

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U.K.'s Transport Research Laboratory actually did a study on Marijuana's effect on a persons ability to drive. They concluded that because the individual who was high on the substance was fully aware of how much less control he had, he was able to compensate by following safer driving procedure, whereas those affected by alcohol are usually unaware of how bad their coordination is off. Now I do realize that driving under the influence of anything should be banned, but I also believe the marijuana use in many car crashes that are publicly exposed didn't have a major part in the outcome, but are used as a ploy to explain why the driver might have been hindered.


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And the evidence presented by the news media is often a little lacking. Was it a school bus driver who got jailed for getting into an accident then failing a mandated drug test? You can fail a drug test for a month after smoking, a drug test is no way to prove that pot caused an accident.

Potheads get a bad wrap from society, but knowing now what well to do adults still smoke in my community, I feel bad for thinking less of some other people and have to wonder if the war on drugs, and social pressure isn't part of the cause of their being bums. My grandparents generation loved to get hammed drunk, but they didn't understand drugs, considering the misinformation of the time. That inability to understand drugs led to quite the painful generation gap. I certainly don't think it's harmful enough to warrant the amount of harm law enforcement can inflict on you in some states and that the opposition is basically against getting high and has nothing to do with health.

I've seen worse withdrawls from cola and coffee than pot.


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