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    Posted: 02 August 2007 at 1:51pm
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A couple of points.

1) This is why I am a member of the ACLU. If anyone ever asks me why I donate to them every year, I think I will just print off this page as a prime example.

2) Can we just do away with pledges? They are quite silly if you really think about it. Maybe it is just me, but I don't see the point in daily ritualistic reminding that yes, I am American.

3) I propose we use Texas as a holding area for the Christian right in America. Give them the entire state, let them run their own government just like they want, right out of Leviticus. All sane people can move out. I will let Gatyr sleep on my couch, whatever. This would let the rest of the country advance in all the ways that having the Christian right around is holding us back.




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Not all of Texas is bad.

I was watched a news report yesterday that some border city there conducted all of its city business, including council meetings in *gasp* Spanish.
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Yeah. Because, you know... Putting everyone that believes in living a Christian life in Texas wouldn't be fifty times worse than the "offenses" that non-christians feel are placed on them. 


Note: This is not in reply to this situation in particular, just the general dislike of all Christians that seems to be the norm nowadays.  I mean; when a Christian stands up for their beliefs/values, they are being preachy and pompous, when anyone else talks about how christians shouldn't be allowed to preach or speak in public, they're upholding American values.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Yeah. Because, you know... Putting everyone that believes in living a Christian life in Texas wouldn't be fifty times worse than the "offenses" that non-christians feel are placed on them. 


Note: This is not in reply to this situation in particular, just the general dislike of all Christians that seems to be the norm nowadays.  I mean; when a Christian stands up for their beliefs/values, they are being preachy and pompous, when anyone else talks about how christians shouldn't be allowed to preach or speak in public, they're upholding American values.
Most Christians i know think God gave them a right to rule the U.S. and call me the un-American one.  They say i am an anarchist and against freedom and that i need to leave this Christian country.  Also, do you think that maybe there is reason for this general dislike of Christians? 


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FYI: Mankind's way of life doesn't = Christian belief. While most Christians believe that, believing something doesn't make it correct.

How about keeping your religious beliefs to yourselves?
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1) If you don't want to say it you don't have to.

2) I never said the Texas pledge last year, never got in trouble.

3) Saying a couple words won't hurt you.
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Originally posted by travis75 travis75 wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Yeah. Because, you know... Putting everyone that believes in living a Christian life in Texas wouldn't be fifty times worse than the "offenses" that non-christians feel are placed on them. 


Note: This is not in reply to this situation in particular, just the general dislike of all Christians that seems to be the norm nowadays.  I mean; when a Christian stands up for their beliefs/values, they are being preachy and pompous, when anyone else talks about how christians shouldn't be allowed to preach or speak in public, they're upholding American values.
Most Christians i know think God gave them a right to rule the U.S. and call me the un-American one.  They say i am an anarchist and against freedom and that i need to leave this Christian country.  Also, do you think that maybe there is reason for this general dislike of Christians? 



Your location says Great Britain, how could you be un-American?
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Yeah. Because, you know... Putting everyone that believes in living a Christian life in Texas wouldn't be fifty times worse than the "offenses" that non-christians feel are placed on them. 





Nobody said put. I said give.

We should give them the state. They would jump on the opportunity to run their own country.
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Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:

Your location says Great Britain, how could you be un-American?


Because everything your read on the internet is true....

I am only 14 and even I know that.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

1) If you don't want to say it you don't have to.

2) I never said the Texas pledge last year, never got in trouble.

3) Saying a couple words won't hurt you.


It is the principle of the matter. It is not simply "saying a couple of words won't hurt you."

Pledges make no sense to me, at least not daily ones.
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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost-Rider Ghost-Rider wrote:

Your location says Great Britain, how could you be un-American?


Because everything your read on the internet is true....

I am only 14 and even I know that.


Was trying to point that out smart one.Never said it was true.
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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

1) If you don't want to say it you don't have to.

2) I never said the Texas pledge last year, never got in trouble.

3) Saying a couple words won't hurt you.
It is the principle of the matter. It is not simply "saying a couple of words won't hurt you." Pledges make no sense to me, at least not daily ones.



Then don't say it.

But why should the ACLU, a minority, be preaching it's ideas on what Christians, a majority, should or should not say?
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:



But why should the ACLU, a minority, be preaching it's ideas on what Christians, a majority, should or should not say?


Because what the Christian right has done is imposed something that stretches to everyone, not just Christians, and done it through the government.

Why not keep the Texan pledge secular, and just let Christians add in the God if they want to?
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I can only wonder the response if this pledge were to be changed to "one State over Satan."

This is not a minority/majority issue, duh.

This is an issue of forcing your religious beliefs onto someone else which is protected against by the first amendment.


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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I can only wonder the response if this pledge were to be changed to "one State over Satan."




Or Buddha, or Vishnu, or FSM, or Cthulhu,



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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


But why should the ACLU, a minority, be preaching it's ideas on what Christians, a majority, should or should not say?
Because what the Christian right has done is imposed something that stretches to everyone, not just Christians, and done it through the government. Why not keep the Texan pledge secular, and just let Christians add in the God if they want to?


Does a kitten at the ACLU HQ die every time God is mentioned by the government?

Why not keep God in and let the non-Christians NOT say God if they don't want to?


Oh right, it IS like that already....

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:



Does a kitten at the ACLU HQ die every time God is mentioned by the government?

A metaphorical kitten, yes. God is not supposed to be in the government. End of story. Dot.

Why not keep God in and let the non-Christians NOT say God if they don't want to?

They are going to put God in the state one. They are adding him in now.

Please read the article.




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Plus if God loves the United States so much, why does he allow events like 9-11, Oklahoma Bombing, WTC '93, pearl harbor, and the Kennedy assassination happen? Is it because the Federal Government isn't paying its tithing?

Yeah, if this Government is "so Christian" why doesn't it pay tithing?
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


But why should the ACLU, a minority, be preaching it's ideas on what Christians, a majority, should or should not say?
Because what the Christian right has done is imposed something that stretches to everyone, not just Christians, and done it through the government. Why not keep the Texan pledge secular, and just let Christians add in the God if they want to?


Does a kitten at the ACLU HQ die every time God is mentioned by the government?

Why not keep God in and let the non-Christians NOT say God if they don't want to?


Oh right, it IS like that already....
Did you read anything in this whole thread?  Really, I want to know.
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MBD, I know they are putting him in, I did read the article. You just failed to grasp what I was saying so I'll spell it out.

You said why not keep it out and have people put it in if they want.

I said why not keep it in and have people take it out if they want. Because they deiced to put it in.

Got it now?



Sorry I guess we should remake all of our money, the Oath in court, our founding documents, etc etc.

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