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Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

The aclu is bad, they sued Hazelton, PA for banning illegal immigration.

First off, your statement of facts is incorrect.

That aside - so because the ACLU is engaged in a few lawsuits that you don't like, you declare the entire organization "bs"?  That's a rather broad brush.

Perhaps you should look into what else the ACLU does.  Did you know, for instance, that they occasionally collaborate with the NRA?



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Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

The aclu is bad, they sued Hazelton, PA for banning illegal immigration.

First off, your statement of facts is incorrect.

That aside - so because the ACLU is engaged in a few lawsuits that you don't like, you declare the entire organization "bs"?  That's a rather broad brush.

Perhaps you should look into what else the ACLU does.  Did you know, for instances, that they occasionally collaborate with the NRA?


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Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

The aclu is the biggest bunch of bs out there.

Mindless word vomit.

No, when you defend sex offenders right to be sex offenders, then yes that is bs.



You should probably look up exactly what the ACLU is doing in each of these cases, and not just spout off what AM radio tells you to.

The ACLU is defending sexual offenders who, and here is the kicker, already served their time in prison and have repaid their debt to society.
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Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

The aclu is bad, they sued Hazelton, PA for banning illegal immigration.

First off, your statement of facts is incorrect.

That aside - so because the ACLU is engaged in a few lawsuits that you don't like, you declare the entire organization "bs"?  That's a rather broad brush.

Perhaps you should look into what else the ACLU does.  Did you know, for instances, that they occasionally collaborate with the NRA?



Exactly.

The town statue imposed a fine on employers and landlords who dealt with illegals, which was a pretty scattered attack on the Supremacy clause and the 14th amendment.
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I'm proud of being a card carrying member of the ACLU. Standing up for civil rights, sometimes on either side of the party line, is always fun.

Whale, what do you think about the whole sexual offender thing? How do you feel about requiring them to register even after their debt is paid?

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Unless it is included in an offenders original sentence, there should not be future/ add on punishments.
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Unless it is included in an offenders original sentence, there should not be future/ add on punishments.

I can easily look up all the offenders living within a mile from my house, but I have no idea how many drug pushers, buglars, or murderers are living close by.

Wow, this is off topic. To get back on topic, "under God" should be removed from the pledge if the pledge is mandatory. "In God We Trust" should be removed from our currency as soon as possible.



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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

I can easily look up all the offenders living within a mile from my house, but I have no idea how many drug pushers, buglars, or murderers are living close by.



That is because the politicians and celebrities do not want you to know where they live.

Every one already knows that if your looking for a pedo just head to your nearest confession booth.
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Every one already knows that if your looking for a pedo just head to your nearest confession booth.

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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

I'm proud of being a card carrying member of the ACLU. Standing up for civil rights, sometimes on either side of the party line, is always fun.

Whale, what do you think about the whole sexual offender thing? How do you feel about requiring them to register even after their debt is paid?



I am ok with registration.

I am not sure how I feel about registration. I think that for certain levels of the crime, registration is not a bad idea. AKA, if the victim was under the age of 12, or something along those lines.

However, public access and exploitation of that registration is a bad thing.

Forced door-knocking is a bad thing, as well as legalized harassment from neighbors including banners, fliers, eviction lynchings, etc.

Also, a town about a half mile from my college, Oviedo, attempted to put some huge radius around things like schools, parks, and places like that, where sexual offenders could not live. The problem is that there was no place allowed to live. The circles covered the whole town, forcing anyone who already lived there out.

That much I don't like. I was glad the ACLU stepped in and helped get that struck down.
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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

To get back on topic, "under God" should be removed from the pledge if the pledge is mandatory.




No pledge is mandatory.

I never said the pledge in school, and was threatened with expulsion because of it, but I still never said it.
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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

To get back on topic, "under God" should be removed from the pledge if the pledge is mandatory.




No pledge is mandatory.

I never said the pledge in school, and was threatened with expulsion because of it, but I still never said it.

I still don't like it in the pledge, but it seems to be a loophole if people don't have to say it. Personally, I'd like to see it omitted.

I'm pretty much still against registration. Especially for those people that have served their time, since we don't enforce the same rules for other crimes.



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Well, in my personal opinion, pledges in general are silly.

Why do I need daily reminding that I am still an American?


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Yeah, its an odd subject. I think the whole currency thing is a no brainer though.

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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Yeah, its an odd subject. I think the whole currency thing is a no brainer though.



And a completely non-complicated process too. It doesn't have to be immediate. Simply take it off the new bills as you put them into circulation to replace damaged and destroyed ones.

There is a push right now to get people to sharpie out "In God" on the money, and see how many they can get into circulation.
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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Yeah, its an odd subject. I think the whole currency thing is a no brainer though.



And a completely non-complicated process too. It doesn't have to be immediate. Simply take it off the new bills as you put them into circulation to replace damaged and destroyed ones.

There is a push right now to get people to sharpie out "In God" on the money, and see how many they can get into circulation.

That's pretty funny. I guess it's easier than trying to get Jackson's face off the $20.

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On a separate note....

...I am surprised how quick it takes something to decirculate. When is the last time you got a old style $20?
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Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by djrox djrox wrote:

The aclu is bad, they sued Hazelton, PA for banning illegal immigration.


First off, your statement of facts is incorrect.


That aside - so because the ACLU is engaged in a few lawsuits that you don't like, you declare the entire organization "bs"? That's a rather broad brush.


Perhaps you should look into what else the ACLU does. Did you know, for instance, that they occasionally collaborate with the NRA?


My personal feeling aside....So what exactly does the ACLU do for the 2nd Amendment?       
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My personal feeling aside....So what exactly does the ACLU do for the 2nd Amendment?       

The NRA and ACLU have gotten together on several occasions.  They wrote a joint rant to Clinton complaining about a bunch of things back in 94, for instance, ranging from Ruby Ridge and Waco to self-defense laws in general.

More recently, the ACLU joined the NRA to resist recent law changes in Texas that would make it more difficult for gun owners to travel with their weapons.

There are others.  A quick search for ACLU and NRA should give you several hits.

Truth is that most of what the NRA does is consistent with the ACLU's policies.  It's just that the ACLU doesn't have to focus on the 2d amendment so much, because the 2d amendment has its own special group.  The ACLU would rather focus on 1st/4th/5th amendment issues than say "me too" whenever the NRA does something.

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Originally posted by Susan Storm Susan Storm wrote:

Originally posted by CarbineKid CarbineKid wrote:

My personal feeling aside....So what exactly does the ACLU do for the 2nd Amendment?       


The NRA and ACLU have gotten together on several occasions. They wrote a joint rant to Clinton complaining about a bunch of things back in 94, for instance, ranging from Ruby Ridge and Waco to self-defense laws in general.


More recently, the ACLU joined the NRA to resist recent law changes in Texas that would make it more difficult for gun owners to travel with their weapons.


There are others. A quick search for ACLU and NRA should give you several hits.


Truth is that most of what the NRA does is consistent with the ACLU's policies. It's just that the ACLU doesn't have to focus on the 2d amendment so much, because the 2d amendment has its own special group. The ACLU would rather focus on 1st/4th/5th amendment issues than say "me too" whenever the NRA does something.


From the ACLU
"We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one, intended mainly to protect the right of the states to maintain militias to assure their own freedom and security against the central government. In today's world, that idea is somewhat anachronistic ..."
Sorry Clark the ACLU is not pro-gun rights. I don't see them doing a think about the DC handgun ban, or any other of our beloved goverments attempts to disarm us. They did not raise a stink over the AWB of 94 or San Fransiscos handgun ban. The ACLU picks the parts of the Bill of rights it feels suits their leftist ways. They are all for the 1st amendment, but they do forget about the 2nd.
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