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I'm not surprised at all about what happened. It's easy to see such mentalities in schools, even outside such an experiment. At least most of these kids now understand what it was like to be a German during WWII.


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Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

http://www.vaniercollege.qc.ca/Auxiliary/Psychology/Frank/Th irdwave.html


I read the book.  Interesting stuff.  I want to try that at my school.
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The Wave was required reading in one of my high school classes. Definitely a worthwhile read despite that it's meant for younger readers. I hope that if I can successfully land a job teaching I'll have the freedom to play mind games with students on such a scale.  
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I would have liked it better had it been more realistic.
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That's some pretty interesting/weird stuff.

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Extremely interesting study of how people work....People think what happened in Germany was so strange, but anyone who really looks into it knows that it could very easily happen again, anytime and anywhere. I got a similar impression from the movie "Conspiracy", which was based off of the actual minutes of the meeting in which Nazi officials planned the holocaust. It stuck me how normal and logical the procedings were, given just a single assumption: Jews are either an evil force or simply less than human and are a problem to be dealt with. If you take that statement as truth, as those men in Germany did, all else follows rationally and and naturally and doesn't seem wrong....The real lesson here, I think, is that the emergence of Hitler or someone like him doesn't need an evil barbarous population to support it, but just a population which isn't on guard against our basest instincts as humans and is subject to the conditions which put those students into that dangerous situation.....


Oh btw, wasn't there a movie based on this?

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Das Experiment= amazing movie.  it starts out as a psychological study that hires some peopel e to be jail guards and others to be the prisoners.  then everyone starts freaking out.  
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Just found the movie online. Not bad, I would imagine that the book is better, but it makes its point. Groupthink is a scary thing....

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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

Das Experiment= amazing movie.† it starts out as a psychological study that hires some peopel e to be jail guards and others to be the prisoners.† then everyone starts freaking out. †
Based on the real Stanford experiments, freaky stuff.

Thanks for the read Enos, people scare me.
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Got about halfway through.
Can we get tl/dr for the rest?
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I'm really, really surprised that only took a week. It almost makes me skeptical, because I just can't imagine myself, or many people I know, going along with something like that in class. I know it's different when you're there, but I'm baffled no-one caught the parallels...
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Interesting. I wonder how that experiment would work in a high school now. You guys think the result would be the same? I think parents would flip out and start trying to sue the school. I don't think many of the kids would buy into it either, everybody wants to do their own thing.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I'm really, really surprised that only took a week. It almost makes me skeptical, because I just can't imagine myself, or many people I know, going along with something like that in class. I know it's different when you're there, but I'm baffled no-one caught the parallels...


Yeah, the whole one week thing makes me skeptical as well.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I'm really, really surprised that only took a week. It almost makes me skeptical, because I just can't imagine myself, or many people I know, going along with something like that in class. I know it's different when you're there, but I'm baffled no-one caught the parallels...


Don't forget the Stanford Prison Experiment got so bad that they shut the project down after only six days. While it was an entirely different set of circumstances, it showed that radical change could occur in a very short period of time.

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Originally posted by TheSpookyKids87 TheSpookyKids87 wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I'm really, really surprised that only took a week. It almost makes me skeptical, because I just can't imagine myself, or many people I know, going along with something like that in class. I know it's different when you're there, but I'm baffled no-one caught the parallels...


Yeah, the whole one week thing makes me skeptical as well.


Well, from what I've read, it actually happened in Palo Alto, California...Who knows though...Snopes has nothing on it...

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Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Extremely interesting study of how people work....People think what happened in Germany was so strange, but anyone who really looks into it knows that it could very easily happen again, anytime and anywhere. I got a similar impression from the movie "Conspiracy", which was based off of the actual minutes of the meeting in which Nazi officials planned the holocaust. It stuck me how normal and logical the procedings were, given just a single assumption: Jews are either an evil force or simply less than human and are a problem to be dealt with. If you take that statement as truth, as those men in Germany did, all else follows rationally and and naturally and doesn't seem wrong....The real lesson here, I think, is that the emergence of Hitler or someone like him doesn't need an evil barbarous population to support it, but just a population which isn't on guard against our basest instincts as humans and is subject to the conditions which put those students into that dangerous situation.....


Oh btw, wasn't there a movie based on this?

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