Racism

i live in holbrook ny on long island, its not really racist, but if you go over a few towns into farmingville its bad...they have illegal immigrants left and right...basically if theres more than 3 people in a car that look hispanic your gonna get pulled over, esp if its in a minivan or a car thats known to be able to seat a lot of people

.Ryan wrote: Yes, if you're associating his being black with his being a gangster lowlife....His race isn't the issue there, it's his demeanor and style, and the fact that he looks like a criminal...

I feel the need to point out the fact that your statement plays into stereotypes and is borderline racist.  You are saying that since he wears urban wear, talks loudly and has his hands in his pockets, he looks like a criminal.

DBibeau855 wrote: Isreal uses racial profiling in their national security programs. And it works.

As does Deutschland.

Hysteria wrote: .Ryan wrote: Yes, if you're associating his being black with his being a gangster lowlife....His race isn't the issue there, it's his demeanor and style, and the fact that he looks like a criminal... I feel the need to point out the fact that your statement plays into stereotypes and is borderline racist.  You are saying that since he wears urban wear, talks loudly and has his hands in his pockets, he looks like a criminal.

That is the basic look of a gangster criminal, am I wrong? Also, "criminal" is not a race...

Evil Elvis wrote: Where my Sister used to live are some pretty slummy projects and I kid you not you can find parked there in front of a drab Duplex Complex a Jaguar S Type. Even if the owner isnt guilty of Narco Trafficing he sure is guilty of Fraud.

You see the same kind of stuff all of the time in grocery stores. I used to  sack groceries and people would come in and buy tons of milk, eggs, cereal, cheese, etc. and pay with food stamps, wic, what have you.  Then they'd pull out a hefty wad of cash and pay for their liquor and cigarettes. I am not saying less fortunate people shouldn't be able to buy alcohol or smokes. And granted, it could have been all ones in the roll of cash, but something tells me otherwise.

Evil Elvis wrote: .Ryan wrote: Hysteria wrote: .Ryan wrote: <span style="font-weight: bold;">Yes, if you're associating his being black with his being a gangster lowlife....His race isn't the issue there, it's his demeanor and style, and the fact that he looks like a criminal...</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span> I feel the need to point out the fact that your statement plays into stereotypes and is borderline racist.  You are saying that since he wears urban wear, talks loudly and has his hands in his pockets, he looks like a criminal. That is the basic look of a gangster criminal, am I wrong? Also, "criminal" is not a race... That's just common sence. Specially since most Rap Lyrics Glorify and Praise Illegal Activities. After all besides Gangster rappers who else could offord to put 20 inch chrome rims in Govertment Subsidided Housing. Where my Sister used to live are some pretty slummy projects and I kid you not you can find parked there in front of a drab Duplex Complex a Jaguar S Type. Even if the owner isnt guilty of Narco Trafficing he sure is guilty of Fraud. Not saying that your views are wrong. I am just saying my views that I gained growing up arround people who would teach Beating the System like it was a Trade or Skill. I know people that can calculate how much Social Security Disbility you can get for a number of Ailments that Medical Science cant prove. Or the ones such as 'alcoholism'. These are the people who have turned Racism into a Crutch and shield to hide behind. Not that is the Majoroty of Minoroties but they are sure as hell the first one to blame all their problems on the Goverment or Racism.

I personally know a lot of white people who are seasoned "system beaters"....that's not a race issue, that's a morality issue...

Hades wrote: MT. Vigilante wrote: Clark Kent wrote: Hades wrote: Was Jesus a racist? Yes, until the civil rights movement. Then He saw the light and became anti-racist. Sorry for the double post.It was people, before the civil rights movement, that made Jesus look like a racist, but they were dead wrong. If you read the new testement, I beleive it was in 2 corinthians, the Bible states that in Gods eyes, there is no difference between the races. Infact since Abraham, in God's eyes there has really only been two races anyway, Jews and Gentiles, and now with the new covenant there is no longer any difference between jews and gentiles, so no God is not racist and never was. If there was no difference between races in the eyes of God, then there would be no need for "him" to illustrate that there were 2 different races. He would view everyone only as people. Also Jesus tell his followers in Matthew 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." Did Jesus think his gospel and teachings were above the heathens grasp? I've never interpreted that Scripture to refer to dogs as gentiles. Why else would Christ later have told his disciples to go into all the earth preaching the Gospel?  While yes, the term was used, I'm not completely sure that it entirels applies to this verse.  Also at the time of Jesus' visit to earth, The Pharisaic rabbis viewed people of other races as dogs. In Mark 7:27 a foreign woman in the neighboring country of Tyre and Sidon asks Jesus to heal her demon possessed daughter, he said, "It is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs" Was he contrasting the Jewish children of God and the foreign dogs of Phoenicia?' That Scripture is completely out of context without the Scriptures that follow- 7:26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] unto the dogs. 7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes,Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs. 7:29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter. While yes, the distinction is made, there is clearly a point to what He was saying.

Back to topic, I would say that where I live you have to worry more about rednecks who want to show off their balls than minorities. Me and some friends almost got in a fight at a movie theater this weeked after going to a club. Some goat roper cowboy and his friends walk up and starts making fun of my friends hair and basically calling us "**edited**s" (the redneck's greatest insult apparently). We just walked off, but still, it pisses me off. I hate that attitude around here. Black guys have never bothered me or my friends, not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never encountered in a personal sense. It's all in the mentality of the community I suppose.

**For those who would rather not read my novel below, just skip to the quote at the end**

I think racism is a bad thing but it's not really a tremendous issue like it was back when there was segregation or slavery. There will always be people that are intolerant of differences in others but as long as they keep it to themselves it's no big deal. At this point, I think society is beyond the point of, say, denying minorities a job because of their ethnicity but there are definitely people out there who think less of others because of race. Personally, I don't hate people because of their race but I do hate the way that people of some races tend to act. Stereotypes are not true for all people but from personal experience I've come to believe that many stereotypes exist because there is a trend in the behavior of certain people. Italians in the NJ/NY area, for example, tend to all spike their hair, wear a ton of jewelry, etc. It's a stereotype but from what I've seen, it's true. However, not all Italians do that, myself included.

With every ethnicity/race comes a certain set of behaviors and tendencies that are common amongst them. It's not racist to acknowledge this, it's just being observant. While I don't like what certain people tend to do, I don't let it affect how I treat them. I'm friends with all different types of people and I judge them only on what kind of person they are. Hell, I hate the stereotypical Italian types but I have a few friends that are just like that. Why? Because they're good friends. There's nothing wrong with forming opinions based on observed behavior trends. It's only a problem when you start to mistreat people just because they're a different color or their eyes are shaped differently. Today's society is generally way too sensitive to the issue and I think that's mostly because their motivated by money. People know that if they play the race card they can probably get some money or special treatment out of it so they do it. Not everybody, but a whole lot of people do.

Not to shift off topic or anything but I also think affirmative action is a load of crap at this point in time. By now, everybody has the same opportunity and helping people out just because of their ethnicity is wrong. I think that, in itself, is racist because that sends the message that these people are incapable of doing it on their own when they're no less capable than anybody else. If it applied to me, I'd probably be insulted by it. It's sickening to know that colleges and business are required to balance the race/gender distribution even if that means turning away people that are more qualified. The only consideration there should be merit. You're either qualified or you're not and your race has no importance.

reclusivetorrid wrote: ... The basic point is that we tell ourselves and each other that we are different, but the truth is we are different merely because we TELL ourselves we are.

I thought that was a pretty good quote so I wanted to reiterate it. It basically sums up my stance on the issue in one short sentence.



Edited by mod98commando - 17 June 2007 at 4:57pm

e-rok wrote: Jesus deamed at the tower of babble all toungs should be separated, and i dont see any white Americans or Canadians for that matter speaking african gibberish and the non white Americans that speak english learned it from Americans, if you believe in the bible and god you should take that into concideration karll wrote: So I've been pondering this lately, and since I can't make up my own mind, I figured I would let you all do it for me. Is it a learned behavior?  (my responce) ya but you should have a good reason Can you get rid of it? (my responce)not if i had a talk with you, J/K but if your reasons are legit then you dont just get rid of it unless they fix the problem and some of um cant be fixed Do you think it's a problem in today's society? (my responce) no these problems have been around since anyone can remember, and its not a problem they are Are people from all races guilty of it? (my responce)ells yeah, for example: wish i could give you one but i dont want ne probs on the forum, PM me but the minorities of America that dont have origins in America blame everything on white Americans that have oringins in America.... go figure

There is so much wrong with your post its not even funny . . .

I think the least frightening part was you completely misusing, misquoting, and misspelling the Tower Of Babel reference.



Edited by Darur - 17 June 2007 at 7:16pm

Darur wrote: e-rok wrote: Jesus deamed at the tower of babble all toungs should be separated, and i dont see any white Americans or Canadians for that matter speaking african gibberish and the non white Americans that speak english learned it from Americans, if you believe in the bible and god you should take that into concideration There is so much wrong with your post its not even funny . . .I think the least frightening part was you completely misusing, misquoting, and misspelling the Tower Of Babel reference.

Nah, it's still pretty funny.