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    Posted: 12 June 2007 at 1:25am
So I've been pondering this lately, and since I can't make up my own mind, I figured I would let you all do it for me.

Is it a learned behavior? Can you get rid of it? Do you think it's a problem in today's society? Are people from all races guilty of it?

Kind of a broad subject I know. Just curious as to what you all think.

Let's keep this civil. If it should take off, I'd hate to see it get into a bickering match between opposing sides like every other semi-serious thread.


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Is it a learned behavior?
Yes.

Can you get rid of it?
Yes.

Do you think it's a problem in today's society?
Yes.

Are people from all races guilty of it?
Yes.
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Care to elaborate on that any? 
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I don't think it is a completely learned behavior, there are some natural prejudices against things that are new or different. But I think that the extreme hatred we know as racism is learned.
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Is it a learned behavior?
Yes, if you are raised in an environment where it is either condoned or used frequently.

Can you get rid of it?
I'd assume so, however most likely only though experience.

Do you think it's a problem in today's society?
I think it's an issue, however I am not quite sure to what extent.

Are people from all races guilty of it?
Definitely.

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Originally posted by Roll Tide Roll Tide wrote:

Is it a learned behavior?
Yes.

Can you get rid of it?
Yes.

Do you think it's a problem in today's society?
Yes.

Are people from all races guilty of it?
Yes.
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Take a psychology class. You will go over this. Its a very interesting thing.
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I think it is gained mostly through experience. It is only encouraged by the people who you hang out with.
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No it is not a learned trait, as humans we examine others through a lense of what we know, being ourselves, a three year old sees a black man and compares what he sees with his own image, comparing and contrasting, seeing differences and discrepencies, its completely natural, its when it turns into violence and discrimination that we have a serious problem.

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Originally posted by karll karll wrote:


Is it a learned behavior?

I think a certain amount of being suspicious of those you see as different from you or outside your group is probably an evolutionary trait. Full blown ignorant racism is learned though, in my opinion...

Can you get rid of it?

Yes, easily. Really about all it takes is to either realize that judging an entire population based on simplistic stereotypes and myths is just illogical and stupid, or to spend time with some members of the group you don't like and realize that they aren't so bad or different as you had always though....Lifelong beliefs are hard to change, for some more than others, but they are changeable....

Do you think it's a problem in today's society?

Yeah, but at least it's not as institutionalized as it used to be....I think we're getting to the point where it wont be much of a problem in the future...'course, that all varies by location and localized culture...there are parts of the south that haven't changed much since the 1930s....

Are people from all races guilty of it?

Absolutely. And now that white people have developed a community guilt about it, I would almost venture to say that "minorities" are the worst offenders....

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Originally posted by karll karll wrote:


Is it a learned behavior?

Is that a yes or no question?  I guess it depends on how you define "racism".  There is clearly a social aspect, but there is significant evidence for a biological underpinning of a form of racism. 

Kin selection theory provides that we tend to favor people that are related to us, and the more related they are, the more favored they are.  That's tricky, because it isn't always easy to tell how closely related people are to you.  But it is a good rule of thumb that people that look way different from you tend to be less related to you than people that look a lot like you.

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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

No it is not a learned trait, as humans we examine others through a lense of what we know, being ourselves, a three year old sees a black man and compares what he sees with his own image, comparing and contrasting, seeing differences and discrepencies, its completely natural, its when it turns into violence and discrimination that we have a serious problem.



Well that does have a bit of truth to it, however, I whould disagree that racism is a natural trait. I have yet to meet a small child that is racist, even ones that grow up in racist families, and after living in the south and being from Montana I know alot of racist families. But, I also know a few people that grew up in extremly racist homes that abhor racism.

So I believe that no, racism is not a natural trait, but many people are inteligent enough to see past there predjudice filled upbringing and decide for themselves that racism is stupid.
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Wow that is the first time I've ever read anything seriouse that .Ryan
said that I totally agree with.

Racism exists in two worlds, the physical world and in the make-
believe world of a racists mind.

Allow me to ellaborate,

The problem starts with in influence of others (parents,
grandparents, teachers, friends...ect). This influence creats a mental
image of a certain race or ethnicity. This mental image (if negative)
will either cause racism or cause someone to think that they are
being descriminated against. I am not saying that descrimination
doesn't exist (it does). I am saying that some descrimination can
simply be psycological.

Good discussion

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Originally posted by reclusivetorrid reclusivetorrid wrote:

Wow that is the first time I've ever read anything seriouse that .Ryan
said that I totally agree with.

Racism exists in two worlds, the physical world and in the make-
believe world of a racists mind.

Allow me to ellaborate,

The problem starts with in influence of others (parents,
grandparents, teachers, friends...ect). This influence creats a mental
image of a certain race or ethnicity. This mental image (if negative)
will either cause racism or cause someone to think that they are
being descriminated against. I am not saying that descrimination
doesn't exist (it does). I am saying that some descrimination can
simply be psycological.

Good discussion

Later


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Take a group of very small children of different races, and most will group with those that are similar to them race wise.  A small amount I believe is natural, since you tend to want things you are used to near you and not something different.

I think that anyone who is raised up by ignorant racists cannot be reversed from their way of thinking, since that is all they know and humans are very hard to change.

I don't think racism is a problem in civilized society at all, you just have your extremists (ex. Al Sharpton) who turn everything into a race issue and blow it all out of proportion.
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If Im walking down the street, and I see some thugged-up black guy walking towords me with his hand in his sweatshirt pocket, talking really loud and obnoxious to his friends, am I a racist if I consider my own safety?

Am I a racist if I blame the government subsidized apartments right next to my addition for the high crime in the neighborhood?

Am I a racist for questioning why black athletes and celebrities never go back to the bad neighborhoods they grew up in, and donate some of their money to bettering other minority kids growing up there?

Theres a point where stereotyping a race based on the overwhelming behavior of those that are publically visible is a valid thing.
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Enos you make a valid point, but this behavior is taught, it's not
really racial so much as it is psycological.

I've seen many different races / ethnicities walk around and talk
loudly and dress stupidly. This is not nessesarily because of race,
but because of upbringing and demographics.

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Originally posted by Glassjaw Glassjaw wrote:

Is it a learned behavior?
Yes, if you are raised in an environment where it is either condoned or used frequently.


or if you are raised around members of a certain race, and all of them or most of them act in an unfavorable way. take myself for example.  all but 3 black kids at my school, that i know, are all the stereotypical, rapping down the hallways, no respect for anyone else, crap talking, thug, drama queen morons.  given thats about the extent of my experiences with that certain race, i am mildly racist.   i wasnt at all going into highschool, and there weren't any black kids at my middle school.  but once in highschool, i really learned to hate the way that group of people acted. 



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I don't really know it racist to hate the way people act. I think that is perfectly normal. I hate the way a lot of people act. When you down to the nitty gritty and you are actually disgusted by another person's skin tone, then you may have a problem.
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