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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tae Kwon Do Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2007 at 8:00pm
Originally posted by FlashGordon FlashGordon wrote:

Quote We were trying to help you.

Most of the posts in this topic have not been intended to help. But thanks Tae.

Quote A lot of the people who post in Thoughts and Opinions section do not play paintball any more.

Doesn't mean I can't attempt to start an intelligent discussion about paintball in the proper section of a paintball forum.


1) I suppose yours are also included.

2) You can attempt all you want, but it should end up being moved to the proper section by a moderator. Not only that, but title does not dictate the "proper section." We here in T and O do not like the paintball topics.

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Originally posted by FlashGordon FlashGordon wrote:

Quote We were trying to help you.

Most of the posts in this topic have not been intended to help. But thanks Tae.

Quote A lot of the people who post in Thoughts and Opinions section do not play paintball any more.

Doesn't mean I can't attempt to start an intelligent discussion about paintball in the proper section of a paintball forum.


Yes, yes it does.


We DO NOT talk about paintball here, DO not... In no way, ever.



Your logic


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I guess it just depends on what you're going for. Personally, I just want something that puts paint down the field and is easy to use. If other people want to go for realism and make paintball more of a war-game, that's also fine with me. The milsim crowd mostly does just back-yard ball and scenarios though, which are large markets, so I think it gets a lot of attention, even if it doesn't really represent what a lot of us think paintball is.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FlashGordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2007 at 8:02pm
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:


1) I suppose yours are also included.
2) You can attempt all you want, but it should end up being moved to the proper section by a moderator. Not only that, but title does not dictate the "proper section." We here in T and O do not like the paintball topics.


1) Well yeah, that would make sense wouldn't it? I suppose it would look a little insane if I started talking to MYSELF in my thread..

2) So don't post, let this topic die.

Edited by FlashGordon - 28 February 2007 at 8:04pm
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Not exactly true. I see a paintball thread come up once in a while. But its usually from a platty and has to do with "way back when".
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Originally posted by FlashGordon FlashGordon wrote:

Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:


1) I suppose yours are also included.
2) You can attempt all you want, but it should end up being moved to the proper section by a moderator. Not only that, but title does not dictate the "proper section." We here in T and O do not like the paintball topics.


1) Well yeah, that would make sense wouldn't it? I suppose it would look a little insane if I started talking to MYSELF in my thread..

2) So don't post, let this topic die.



I was not attempting to be hostile.

I am simply saying, if you want intelligent, informed answers, Thoughts and Opinions is not the place.

If you post this in New Players, you will get much better responses. Titles be damned.

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FlashGordon,  it's absolutely no use to argue with TKD.  He's one of the T&O gods, so please save us the flaming from here and put it into New Players.
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I am not Middle Aged, I have an Outstanding Service record and am a Decorated Marine. If your just going to try to flame MILSIM to try to gain some Internet Credz then by all means but Im moving this to an apropiate section. So that you may find what ever sort of discusion you wanted.
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but elvis... you look so bad ass with your guns... so it's ok

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Originally posted by tecumseh tecumseh wrote:

FlashGordon,  it's absolutely no use to argue with TKD. 
He's one of the T&O gods, so please save us the flaming from here
and put it into New Players.


Save yourself the flaming.. you are the one posting in this thread.

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It's another way to have fun with the game.

Anyone who complains about marker weight is just weak. Some other stuff, such as stocks, are simply practical for those of us who shoot that way.
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Originally posted by procarbinefreak procarbinefreak wrote:

but elvis... you look so bad ass with your guns... so it's ok

He's a Cuban Viking Pirate.... They all look badass...


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Originally posted by FlimFlam FlimFlam wrote:

Originally posted by procarbinefreak procarbinefreak wrote:

but elvis... you look so bad ass with your guns... so it's ok


He's a Cuban Viking Pirate.... They all look badass...



   Other then that no comment.

As to the thread, to each there own. When I was in the Army reserve I thought it was a down grade. When they took our M60's away and gave us Saw's. It was a big let down. So bigger, heaver and faster is the way to go in Mil-Sim.
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Army wanna-bees?

 

I see regs post paintball topics all the time in T&O and you reply to them with the upmost respect, then lower post count forum members post paintball topics in T&O and ya chastise (sp) them.

Shame on you.


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Originally posted by Justice Justice wrote:

I see regs post paintball topics all the time in T&O and you reply to them with the upmost respect, then lower post count forum members post paintball topics in T&O and ya chastise (sp) them.

Shame on you.

Agreed.

Thoughts and Opinions is NOT LIMITED TO NON-PAINTBALL TOPICS. If it were, it would state as such.

Truth be told, it was the REGULARS section that was meant for non-paintball discussion. It only shifted to T&O due to the limited access.

Heaven forbid someone post something Paintball related in a Paintball Forum! Y'all need to lighten up with the "Wrong Forum" garbage.
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My opinion on it? Too expensive and impractical.

BUT... others enjoy it, especially at big scenerio games, and if they are willing to dish out the $$$, so be it.

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Honestly, I don't see much of a practical use for the mil-sim add ons that so many people go for these days. There was just a 5 page thread on Spec Ops' video "Woodsball Revolution" which tries to explain away all of the extraneous crap that most people throw on their markers to go in the mil-sim direction. I guess what it truly comes down to is this; purely visual mil-simmers (mind you I said PURELY VISUAL) fall into the same category as ricers in my book. They are people who want the real thing but can't have it for whatever reason, so they go for the look and feel of a real fire-arm. Some of the guys like E.E. probably go mil-sim because they know how to use the equipment rather well due to their military service. The vast majority of it, however, is what paintball started out as, simulated warfare without the consequences. There was a huge push from the late 80's until recently to make paintball as non war-like as possible to keep from offending the PC sensibilities of zealots the nation over. The sport/game has since gained enough main-stream support that the mil-sim guys can come out of hiding and do what they do. The ONLY mil-sim guys I take offense to are the ones who try to bash speeball/tournaments by saying how "impractical" or "ineffective" the gear is when put into a different situation. Again, there's a reason most GOOD scenario teams keep speedballers on the roster. We can punch a hole in a line faster and more effectively than just about anyone else out there.
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mislim is for use in scenarios and tactical tranning like paintball adventures advanced tactical systems there that is true mislim and popo training
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If you are worried about "practical", why play paintball in the first place? Spend your time helping the needy, or making your car run batter, or something practical. 
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As far as practicality, some milsim stuff doesn't do anything for the player. Some of it does, however, and some companies are getting good at combining milsim looks with paintball practicality.

Examples:

The Apex with the M-16 shroud. I have this on my gun, and it looks good while giving the capabilities of the Apex.

SpecOps Commando Stocks have a groove cut out for a players mask to fit in behind the gun, making it easier to aim. These stocks also have air-through capabilities for those that want it. Furthermore, SpecOps created the dogleg stocks that allow you to shoulder the gun and make it super easy to aim at the same time.

There are numerous magazines that have regulators built into them, like the Trinity AK-47 mag that has a Palmer Stabilizer built into it.

Some scenario players like to have milsim stuff just because it looks cool. Some like to have it because they want to simulate the feel of an actual firearm. Some have milsim stuff because it allows one marker to have several different capabilities, such as the addition of electronic sights, grenade/rocket launchers, flashlights, ect...

I don't know what the milsim demographics are, but it would be interesting to know. I have a milsim marker for one reason: I wanted to have the feel of an actual firearm, just for kicks. I guess it was just a phase, but now I would like to make a few changes to make the marker more practical and easier to use.

Speedball players are just as good in the woods. The skill sets for speedball and woodsball are incredibly similar once you break it down. Markers designed for speedball can just as easily be used in the woods the same way milsim markers can be used on speedball fields (although, there are some things about milsim markers that would make them difficult to use on speedball fields, such as stocks, extra weight, ect...)

There has been a recent trend for players to take up woodsball over speedball. I will leave the reasons for that to another thread, but the bottom line is that woodsball/milsim stuff is getting very popular. And where there is an interest, paintball companies will accommodate that market.

I don't think that there is a problem with milsim players and people getting concerned with people trying to replicate actual combat. It is still a sport, not real combat, and as long as players are mature enough to realize this, then there will not be a problem.  Some companies and organizations (US military) replicate combat with milsim stuff for training purposes, but these people realize the implications of what they are doing and take it very seriously.
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