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In June 2002, panel of experts brought together by the International Agency
for Research on Cancer (an agency of the World Health Organization)
determined that second-hand smoke causes cancer. And we know that
marijuana and cigarette smoke contain as many as 50 of the same cancer
causing substances. For these reasons, experts believe that exposure to
second-hand marijuana smoke is at least as harmful as second-hand
tobacco smoke.

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Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

It has been suggested that marijuana is at the root of many mental
disorders, including acute toxic psychosis, panic attacks (one of the very
conditions it is being used experimentally to treat), flashbacks, delusions,
depersonalization, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, and
uncontrollable aggressiveness. Marijuana has long been known to trigger
attacks of mental illness, such as bipolar (manic-depressive) psychosis
and schizophrenia. This connection with mental illness should make
health care providers for terminally ill patients and the patients
themselves, who may already be suffering from some form of clinical
depression, weigh very carefully the pros and cons of adopting a
therapeutic course of marijuana.

In the short term, marijuana use impairs perception, judgment, thinking,
memory, and learning; memory defects may persist six weeks after last
use. Mental disorders connected with marijuana use merit their own
category in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
(DSM) IV, published by the American Psychiatric Association. These
include Cannabis Intoxication (consisting of impaired motor coordination,
anxiety, impaired judgment, sensation of slowed time, social withdrawal,
and often includes perceptual disturbances; Cannabis Intoxication
Delirium (memory deficit, disorientation); Cannabis Induced Psychotic
Disorder, Delusions; Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Hallucinations;
and Cannabis Induced Anxiety Disorder.

In addition, marijuana use has many indirect effects on health. Its effect
on coordination, perception, and judgment means that it causes a
number of accidents, vehicular and otherwise.


Recent research into whether cannabis causes "psychosis", mental illness, or schizophrenia has received a great deal of attention in the media and has triggered calls for the British government to move cannabis from Class C back to its former, more punitive, Class B designation.

This is, of course, not the first time people have said that cannabis causes mental illness, with assertions of a connection going back at least as far as the British Indian Hemp Drugs Commission's investigation into similar charges in 1893. It concluded that "[when the] alleged evil effects of the moderate use of [cannabis are] subjected to careful examination, the grounds on which the allegations are founded, prove to be in the highest degree defective."1

Medical and epidemiological research has come a long way since 1893, or so we'd like to believe, and many papers have been written about what physical and mental harms might be caused by the use of cannabis. In recent years, there has been a flurry of news regarding the analyses of several large longitudinal surveys that show an apparent link between cannabis use and mental illness: "The link between regular cannabis use and later depression and schizophrenia has been significantly strengthened by three new studies..."2

It is easy to dismiss the current Reefer Madness scare as yet another in a long line of such offerings by politically-driven drugabusologists, but there is more to it than hype, even if it is hardly the "drug induced mental health crisis"3 that some allege. The following is an overview of the current state of the debate.
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The most potent argument against the use of marijuana to treat medical
disorders is that marijuana may cause the acceleration or aggravation of
the very disorders it is being used to treat.

Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the
bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled
microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs
to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already
weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of
dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often
proves fatal in AIDS patients.

Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant"
whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system.
Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of
the smokerís body to defend itself against infection by weakening various
natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells")
and the all-important T-cells. Obviously, this suggests the conclusion,
which is well-supported by scientific studies, that the use of marijuana as
a medical therapy can and does have a very serious negative effect on
patients with pre-existing immune deficits resulting from AIDS, organ
transplantation, or cancer chemotherapy, the very conditions for which
marijuana has most often been touted and suggested as a treatment. It
has also been shown that marijuana use can accelerate the progression of
HIV to full-blown AIDS and increase the occurrence of infections and
Kaposiís sarcoma.     In addition, patients with weak immune systems will
be even less able to defend themselves against the various respiratory
cancers and conditions to which consistent marijuana use has been
linked, and which are discussed briefly under "Respiratory Illnesses."

In conclusion, it seems that the potential dangers presented by the
medical use of marijuana may actually contribute to the dangers of the
diseases which it would be used to combat. Therefore, I suggest that
marijuana should not be permitted as a therapy, at least until a good deal
more conclusive research has been completed concerning its debilitating
effect on the immune system.

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I'm guessing that more than half of you were conceived by parents who were high at the time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bunkered Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 December 2006 at 12:26am
That's an indirect effect.
If you're just sitting around inhaling marijuana smoke, it is by your choice. People don't smoke marijuana in public (at least not those of us who have brains), so you have to have put yourself in a situation to be inhaling the second-hand smoke. If you're afraid of second-hand marijuana smoke, get the hell out of wherever marijuana is being smoked. Or you can always just quit being a wuss and realize that people die every day, and your time will come whether you accidentally inhale that second-hand smoke or not.
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Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

In June 2002, panel of experts brought together by the International Agency
for Research on Cancer (an agency of the World Health Organization)
determined that second-hand smoke causes cancer. And we know that
marijuana and cigarette smoke contain as many as 50 of the same cancer
causing substances. For these reasons, experts believe that exposure to
second-hand marijuana smoke is at least as harmful as second-hand
tobacco smoke.


Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 26, 2006; A03

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought.

Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous.

Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer and an additional 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and neighborhood.

They were all asked about their lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol. The heaviest marijuana smokers had lighted up more than 22,000 times, while moderately heavy usage was defined as smoking 11,000 to 22,000 marijuana cigarettes. Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied.

"This is the largest case-control study ever done, and everyone had to fill out a very extensive questionnaire about marijuana use," he said. "Bias can creep into any research, but we controlled for as many confounding factors as we could, and so I believe these results have real meaning."

Tashkin's group at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA had hypothesized that marijuana would raise the risk of cancer on the basis of earlier small human studies, lab studies of animals, and the fact that marijuana users inhale more deeply and generally hold smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers -- exposing them to the dangerous chemicals for a longer time. In addition, Tashkin said, previous studies found that marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar.

While no association between marijuana smoking and cancer was found, the study findings, presented to the American Thoracic Society International Conference this week, did find a 20-fold increase in lung cancer among people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.

The study was limited to people younger than 60 because those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana in their youth, when it is most often tried.


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The main respiratory consequences of smoking marijuana regularly (one
joint a day) are pulmonary infections and respiratory cancer, whose
connection to marijuana use has been strongly suggested but not
conclusively proven. The effects also include chronic bronchitis,
impairment in the function of the smaller air passages, inflammation of
the lung, the development of potentially pre-cancerous abnormalities in
the bronchial lining and lungs, and, as discussed, a reduction in the
capabilities of many defensive mechanisms within the lungs.

Marijuana smoke and cigarette smoke contain many of the same toxins,
including one which has been identified as a key factor in the promotion
of lung cancer. This toxin is found in the tar phase of both, and it should
be noted that one joint has four times more tar than a cigarette, which
means that the lungs are exposed four-fold to this toxin and others in
the tar. It has been concretely established that smoking cigarettes
promotes lung cancer (which causes more than 125,000 deaths in the US
every year), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis
and emphysema) and increased incidence of respiratory tract infections.
This implies, but does not establish, that smoking marijuana may lead to
some of the same results as smoking cigarettes. It is notable that several
reports indicate an unexpectedly large proportion ofmarijuana users
among cases of lung cancer and cancers of the oral cavity,pharynx, and
larynx. Thus, it appears that the use of marijuana as a medicine has the
potential to further harm an already ill patient in the same way that taking
up regular cigarette smoking would, particularly in light of the fact that
those patients for whom marijuana is recommended are already poorly
equipped to fight off these infections and diseases.

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Whale:

Haha, wow.

That was not an unbiased source you linked to at all.
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As noted above, alveolar macrophages from the lungs of healthy, habitual
marijuana smokers were suppressed in their ability to kill fungaland
bacterial organisms, as well as tumor cells. Moreover, the same cells were
suppressed in their ability to release proinflarnmatory cytokines. These
findings suggest that marijuana is an immunosuppressant with clinically
significant effects on host defense, which could have potentially serious
health consequences in patients with preexisting immune deficits due to
AIDS, organ transplantation (receiving immunosuppressive therapy to
prevent rejection of the transplant), or cancer (receiving
immunosuppressive chemotherapy). The latter possibility is supported by
reports of fungal and bacterial pneumonias in patients with AIDS or organ
transplantation who used marijuana (Caiaffa et al. 1994; Denning et al.
1991). Moreover, among HIV-positive individuals, active marijuana use
has been found to be a significant risk factor for rapid progression from
HIV infection toAIDS and acquisition of opportunistic infections and/or
Kaposi's sarcoma (Tindall et al. 1988).

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You've still failed to demonstrate harm to third parties that is the result of the pot itself, and not simple stupidity/inconsideration on the part of the smoker...
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

You've still failed to demonstrate harm to third parties
that is the result of the pot itself, and not simple stupidity/inconsideration
on the part of the smoker...


You are being lied to, brihard.

LIED TO!

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Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

You've still failed to demonstrate harm to third parties
that is the result of the pot itself, and not simple stupidity/inconsideration
on the part of the smoker...


You are being lied to, brihard.

LIED TO!


So far I've only seen my time being wasted...

No one has the right to restrict my behaviour inasmuch as it does no harm to other people. That said, for personal reasons I do not smoke, either tobacco or cannabis. If I decided to chance the health effects though, it ought to be my right as long as I do not expose any others to ill effects.
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Yeah.

Don't be lied to man.


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Wow, I actually agree with Tae Kwon Do on something Im speachless...and hes correct

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*Note*

The opinions stated in this thread are not really those of your favorite Whale,
rather, an attempt to rile up defensive marijuana users such as Bunkered. I
don't care if you use it or not.



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I don't quite understand why everyone freaks out about weed. It's not at
all what it seems. It generally takes about .25-.5 grams to get one
person high for 2 or 3 hours. Compare that .25-.5 grams of marijuana to
the 1.5-3 grams of tobacco that would be in a cigarette which could be
needed at least once an hour if not more. Other than the harm to your
lungs and the slight feelings of lazyness while high, there really aren't any
good proven arguments against marijuana.

I used to smoke a lot, but my parents found out and I respect them
enough to stop until I'm not living in their house. There is really no way
to get addicted, and unless you smoke an ungodly ammount regularly, I
see no risk of cancer or brain damage. Also, the effects of a "high"
actually helped me focus and get my homework done instead of the
stereotypical stoner sitting on a couch feeling. I view it as a good thing
that should be legal, but highly regulated and taxed to hell.
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ARGH! GODDAMMIT! TKD SUCKS SO MUCH!

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Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

*Note*
The opinions stated in this thread are not really those of your favorite Whale,
rather, an attempt to rile up defensive marijuana users such as Bunkered. I
don't care if you use it or not.

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I don't need a website to tell me how weed is or isn't bad for you. I just need to look at a few friends of mine who are high every waking minute of their lives to see how badly it messes you up. People who say weed isn't harmful to you are in denial. I garuntee everyone who smokes weed claims it is not addictive or harmful at all. Yet everyday I hear my room mate talk about how badly he wants to get high. The drug is in no way as harmful as other drugs such as cocain and heroin (obviously). But you cannot simply deny the negative side effects it has.  I have no problem with smoking weed in moderation. I have smoked a handful of times and know what it feels like to be high. I have no interest in getting high again.
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Originally posted by newport newport wrote:

ARGH! GODDAMMIT! TKD SUCKS SO MUCH!


OH MAH GAWD IS BEEN LEID TAH

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