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Originally posted by battlefreak battlefreak wrote:

Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:


Originally posted by battlefreak battlefreak wrote:

i saw a thing were this guy raped and murderd a 19 year old girl and during the court trial he kept winking and smiling at her father. So the next court date the father brought a 9mm rapped in newspaper and when the guy smiled at him he shot and killed him.
And I hope the father spends the rest of his life in prison too. Vigilantism is a bad thing. He killed in cold blood, he is no better off than the original murderer.
Thats a horrible position so far youve made good points but thats just ignorant.


How so?

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Wow, i must say you were quick to rip this apart.

Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Originally posted by Yomillio Yomillio wrote:

I think we should have a more money-efficent way of inflicting the death-penalty on someone, however.

It is not the cost of the killing itself. It is the appeals process that is expensive. The appeals process is what makes sure we are really sure we want to kill someone.   

I realize this, and i think we are taking the right action right now to deal with this were evidence is questionable, However, in cases where it is proven beyond the shadow of a doubt appeals should not be allowed under any cercimstances.  I know that most arent, but some still are.


 The ways most killers murder is, lets face it, just plain brutal.  Why do they get a quick, fairly painless death?  And why should they be allowed to live?

Because we are not a bunch of mindless killing beasts. We should be the better person. Not to sound cliche, but two wrongs do not a right make. We are a civilized society.

This is just my own belief, as stated from the Code of Hammurabi: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".  Weher or not you believe it, i dont care.


 I think if we overcome the "leathal-injection" and move into more fitting and cost efficent death penalties, death for murder would be much more practical.

We have evolved past this as a society. At least I like to hope so. 

No comment... just.... no.

 Yes, i know that right now it makes more financial sense to lock someone up for the rest of their life, but it just isnt a harsh enough punishment for what they have done.




 People may not realize just how good a life people in jail have.  They get free college level courses, cable TV, and other typical life-luxeries.  They get medical care, and are treated nicely.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Treated nicely????

Honestly now. Guards yell at you and control everything about you.

Im tired.  Its late.   Im not thinking so well... you got this one.  But still, just ignore the "nice" part and i still have a fitting argument.


  This probably seems like "yeah, okay, so whats your point?"  I just don't see how this is all that much of a punishment. 

You realize that criminals marked as "dangerous" are in-cell 23 hours of the day, right? Thats one hour a day you can be outside.

I stand my point.  They still get to live a life.


Sure, you dont get free choice over everything, but the person someone murdered will never get to do anything, enjoy any luxeries of life, ever again.

Which comes down to this, are we using execution as a means of justice and punishment or as blood-thirsty revenge?

If you think about it, isnt all justice a form of revenge?  Point well argued, my friend.

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I agree with Tae about prison NOT being a "nice place" like some of you say. Even if they get cable TV and college courses, you should try living a life where you don't get to make any choices. I am 100% sure that you will NOT like it.

Prison life is terrible.
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Originally posted by STOcocker STOcocker wrote:

I agree with Tae about prison NOT being a "nice place" like some of you say. Even if they get cable TV and college courses, you should try living a life where you don't get to make any choices. I am 100% sure that you will NOT like it.

Prison life is terrible.

I didnt say it wasnt, but there is still HOPE for you with this present justice system.  There is no hope with a death penalty, or someone who no longer has a life...

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Originally posted by battlefreak battlefreak wrote:

justice


What!?!



I am undecided when it comes to the death penalty.

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Originally posted by Justice Justice wrote:

Originally posted by battlefreak battlefreak wrote:

justice


What!?!



I am undecided when it comes to the death penalty.

ahh, your just trying to be nice... come and jump on the hate wagon with everyone else.

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I can honestly say if someone were to rape and kill my daughter (if I had one) and they smiled and stuff at me, I would kill them too.
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^^ Thank you ^^^
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...Sigh...

Until you guys understand that prisons are not a TV-filled happy candy land, you will keep believing a fallacy.

Ok, run with me here.

Let's say that prisons were how you think they should be, whatever that may entail. Would you support life sentences over the death penalty then?




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I never said it was a wonderland, but its not nearly as bad as it should be.  Thats what I was saying.
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What should it be then? How much do you really know about federal prisons?


Edited by Tae Kwon Do - 17 October 2006 at 9:41pm

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I cant say that I know about Federal Prisons, but I do know of people that prefer to live in prison because they are afforded the luxuries that most people take for granted...like food, lighting, A/C, a semi safe place to live, etc. 
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TV, weights, fitness, free food, all seem like things that we shouldnt give people who cut other's throats...
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I do not disagree Gatyr.

The relevancy to Capital Punishment is questionable though.

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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

free food


Explain why we starve someone, then, or give  a practical way that every prisoner in the US can productively work for their food.
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They have a prison in Louisiana that the prisoners make their own food.  Angola, I believe.
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but it is still provided for them, no?
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Well, since Whale already pwned this thread, I'll just say that the justice system is far too imperfect for us to rely on it to tell us if we need to kill another human being. And that's leaving the moral argument of rather killing the killer is right.

     On that, you can quote the "eye for an eye" thing five times a day and it wont make it anymore relavent than 100 other quotes that say the opposite. How about Ghandi? "And eye for an eye leaves everyone blind"? Or Jesus? "Turn the other cheek"? Hell, you can quote the kamarabi and I can counter quote a million others but logic says that the eye for an eye thing just wont work. It leads to a never ending chain of reprisal killings. The ancient arabs knew that and they set up a whole system of compensation to stop people from killing each other....Most other cultures have realized that it just doesn't work too.....Morals disregarded....

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They harvest every bit of what they eat.  They are self-sufficient.
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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

They harvest every bit of what they eat.  They are self-sufficient.


They do farm at the LSP, but it is not their only source of food.

The farm is more of a work-potential area than food gathering.


Once again, relevancy?
No good points have been put forth so far in pro of capital punishment.


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