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Originally posted by fractus.scud fractus.scud wrote:

Actually numbers do matter. Let's say you have religion A and B. Both have extremists.



 



What about a thousand in 5 min.?


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Originally posted by XenoSabre XenoSabre wrote:

Christianity doesn't need terrorism. People are converted to christianity because of one of two reasons...

1. They truely believe
2. They are afraid of eternal damnation





Don't you have to believe in order to be afraid of eternal damnation?  If you don't believe in Christianity, you'd think that you aren't going to be subject to eternal damnation.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by XenoSabre XenoSabre wrote:

Christianity doesn't need terrorism. People are converted to christianity because of one of two reasons...

1. They truely believe
2. They are afraid of eternal damnation





Don't you have to believe in order to be afraid of eternal damnation?  If you don't believe in Christianity, you'd think that you aren't going to be subject to eternal damnation.
You dont nessicarily have to believe whole heartedly in somthing to be fearfull of it, If you knew there was a chance that if you messed up in your life, and its a possability that you could be tortured and beaten and had insainly cruel and grotuesk things happen to you. just because you screwed up one time.

would'nt that make you try to not screw up even tho your not 100% sure it'll happen.

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Got to love these apples and oranges arguements. Religion is a never ending source of turmoil in the world. The difference today is one, Christianity has done its best to move out of its middle age mentality and grasp more modern concepts. The other in this series of arguements is still gripped within the concepts of the 12th century and cares to return all the world to that belief.

Keep justifying and appeasing.....make sure you are the one who feeds the gator, so he eats you last.

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Got to love these apples and oranges arguements. Religion is a never ending source of turmoil in the world. The difference today is one, Christianity has done its best to move out of its middle age mentality and grasp more modern concepts. The other in this series of arguements is still gripped within the concepts of the 12th century and cares to return all the world to that belief.

Keep justifying and appeasing.....make sure you are the one who feeds the gator, so he eats you last.

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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:


[QUOTE=brihard]MT, I'd reccommend refreshing yourself with the conflicts in Ireland, in particular the 'troubles'. Much catholic vs protestant violence and terrorism. Witness atrocities committed between Christian Croats and Muslim Serbs in the 1990s. I know men who fought in the Medak Pocket in Croatia and killed Croatian soldiers who were massacring Serbian civilians- it was a war fought in great part over religious-based cultural differences. 'Ethnic cleansing' is a lovely term, isn't it? Sounds much nicer than 'genocide'.There are Chrsitian terrorist groups waging battles in India. In 2004 they killed 44 Hindus.The Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda is a Christian nationalist element with strong terrorist cells.Don't make claims without research.

Those people are not Christians, they may call themselves Christians but they are not because they are not following anything in the Bible. Christ said this; " For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." John 3:17. So any terrorist who calls himself a christian is not one at all.You are probably thinking, the same could be said about islam, this is not true. For the extremists can find many examples in thier religion that they are true muslims, so called "Christian Terrorists" can not. You may now be asking how I know this, I have asked many a muslim and they all say the same thing, wich is exactly what I have told you now.


Now, I do not believe that the majority of muslims are evil, most of them are good. However I do believe that the terrorist are following the original teachings of mohamed. I beleive this because when Mohamed first began to preach in Mecca, no one believed him. So he went to Medina where he converted many, he then led his new converts back to Mecca where he had them slaghter the population of Mecca for not believing him.I just hope that the majority of muslims continue in thier belief in a peacefull islam, wheather that is true islam or not.


Bull. I'll drag up biblical quotes later after class if noone else beats me to it, but there are DEFINITELY parts in the bible that call for violence against others. Likewise, the radical muslims are deemed by moderates within their own religion to not be following the true tenets of their faith.I'd suggest checking out the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. You'll find it illuminating
Show me one Bible verse where Jesus tells his followers to kill people if they don't convert, just one. And it has to be from the New Testement, (of coars that is the only place where Jesus' teachings are written down anyway.)And to whoever said that the Ten commandments are null and void, that is not true, Jesus said himself that they are still to be followed, but they say nothing about killing anyone anyway, infact they clearly say "You shall not comit murder."


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And yet God himself, flooded the planet... do you not consider that murder? truth be told, if where to believe the bible, God has commited way more sin than any of us. You wanna talk about Gennocide, think about it. Millions and Millions of people where killed just because they did'nt believe a certain way.


I dont give a damn who kills them for what they believe weather its God or follower, its still wrong. God supposadly gave us the free will to live our lives as we want, he may be all powerfull but even he can't take back a promise he gave to us. So either one God is a lier and we shouldnt believe anything he says, or 2 the bible is not true and we should'nt trust it. I dont wanna hear any of that "G0Dz sp3cialz! H3 c4n D0oZ w4T3VER!" beucause you and I both know thats a bunch of B.S.


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do you know why god flooded the earth? And God saw the earth and see! it was corrupt, for every one had corrupted their ways.
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Read the bible before you make assumptions of my religion buddy...
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blah blah blah blah blah, this is so redundant, we do this about 3 times a month, it gets really old.

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Originally posted by battlefreak battlefreak wrote:

Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:


[QUOTE=brihard]MT, I'd reccommend refreshing yourself with the conflicts in Ireland, in particular the 'troubles'. Much catholic vs protestant violence and terrorism. Witness atrocities committed between Christian Croats and Muslim Serbs in the 1990s. I know men who fought in the Medak Pocket in Croatia and killed Croatian soldiers who were massacring Serbian civilians- it was a war fought in great part over religious-based cultural differences. 'Ethnic cleansing' is a lovely term, isn't it? Sounds much nicer than 'genocide'.There are Chrsitian terrorist groups waging battles in India. In 2004 they killed 44 Hindus.The Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda is a Christian nationalist element with strong terrorist cells.Don't make claims without research.

Those people are not Christians, they may call themselves Christians but they are not because they are not following anything in the Bible. Christ said this; " For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." John 3:17. So any terrorist who calls himself a christian is not one at all.You are probably thinking, the same could be said about islam, this is not true. For the extremists can find many examples in thier religion that they are true muslims, so called "Christian Terrorists" can not. You may now be asking how I know this, I have asked many a muslim and they all say the same thing, wich is exactly what I have told you now.


Now, I do not believe that the majority of muslims are evil, most of them are good. However I do believe that the terrorist are following the original teachings of mohamed. I beleive this because when Mohamed first began to preach in Mecca, no one believed him. So he went to Medina where he converted many, he then led his new converts back to Mecca where he had them slaghter the population of Mecca for not believing him.I just hope that the majority of muslims continue in thier belief in a peacefull islam, wheather that is true islam or not.


Bull. I'll drag up biblical quotes later after class if noone else beats me to it, but there are DEFINITELY parts in the bible that call for violence against others. Likewise, the radical muslims are deemed by moderates within their own religion to not be following the true tenets of their faith.I'd suggest checking out the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. You'll find it illuminating
Show me one Bible verse where Jesus tells his followers to kill people if they don't convert, just one. And it has to be from the New Testement, (of coars that is the only place where Jesus' teachings are written down anyway.)And to whoever said that the Ten commandments are null and void, that is not true, Jesus said himself that they are still to be followed, but they say nothing about killing anyone anyway, infact they clearly say "You shall not comit murder."


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And yet God himself, flooded the planet... do you not consider that murder? truth be told, if where to believe the bible, God has commited way more sin than any of us. You wanna talk about Gennocide, think about it. Millions and Millions of people where killed just because they did'nt believe a certain way.


I dont give a damn who kills them for what they believe weather its God or follower, its still wrong. God supposadly gave us the free will to live our lives as we want, he may be all powerfull but even he can't take back a promise he gave to us. So either one God is a lier and we shouldnt believe anything he says, or 2 the bible is not true and we should'nt trust it. I dont wanna hear any of that "G0Dz sp3cialz! H3 c4n D0oZ w4T3VER!" beucause you and I both know thats a bunch of B.S.


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do you know why god flooded the earth? And God saw the earth and see! it was corrupt, for every one had corrupted their ways.
11 Now the earth was corrupt in the face of God, and the earth was full of violence.
12 And God saw the earth and see! it was corrupt, for every one had corrupted their ways.
13 So God said to Noah, "The end of every person is coming before me, for the earth is filled with their violence, so now I am destroying them along with the earth.
14 Make yourself an ark of cypress wood! Make rooms in the ark and coat it inside and out with pitch.
Read the bible before you make assumptions of my religion buddy...
It doesnt matter if they where corrupt, just because god did'nt like what they where doing doesnt mean he should kill them all. Thats a part of free will, it cant be considered free if we can choose to not belive in god but we're still forced to live like christians...
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quote war, pretty soon those quotes are gonna be a page long

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Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Radical christains are just as bad.

Radical anything is bad.


Even Radical Surfers?
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To be fair, the substance of the quote, the fact that Muhammad said to spread his word by the sword....that is kind of evil...'coruse, you can find that stuff in any religion, that's why I abstain.

BTW, in knowing some of the history of how Islam started up, I gotta say, their religion seems to be a bit more furbar than ours....at least a little bit...

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Originally posted by White o Light White o Light wrote:


Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Radical christains are just as bad.

Radical anything is bad.
Even Radical Surfers?


Beat me to it.


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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Christianity has done its best to move out of its middle age mentality and grasp more modern concepts.

Christianity has?  I hadn't noticed.

What are these modern concepts that Christianity has grasped?

Modern science?  No.

Modern sexuality?  No.

Women's equality?  No.

Modern family structure?  No.

Please help me understand all these modern concepts that Christianity has grasped.

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Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

Show me one Bible verse where Jesus tells his followers to kill people if they don't convert, just one. And it has to be from the New Testement, (of coars that is the only place where Jesus' teachings are written down anyway.)

And to whoever said that the Ten commandments are null and void, that is not true, Jesus said himself that they are still to be followed, but they say nothing about killing anyone anyway, infact they clearly say "You shall not comit murder."

You are pretty wrong on all counts there...

 - Christianity doesn't toss out of the OT entirely - it never has.  It just picks and chooses at will (kind of like you are doing now, actually).

 - Please cite chapter and verse where Jesus refers to the Ten Commandments.

 - The Fifth Commandment is sometimes translated as "no murder", other times as "no kill".  It depends on the translation.  And, of course, translations into other languages yield other nuances.  Have you read the original version?  No?  Me neither.  I wouldn't call the bible's specific stance on killing clear at all.

Originally posted by Vigilante Vigilante wrote:

Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Sorry - if they read the Bible and claim to be Christian, then they are Christian for all practical purposes.  You don't get to conveniently declare anybody "not a Christian" who does something you disagree with.



That is not true, the Bible clearly states that regardless of what you say, if you are not following and teaching what the Bible teaches then you are not a true christian.

Chapter and verse, please.

But accepting your interpretation regardless, I hereby declare you NOT a true Christian.  Congratulations.

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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

Show me one Bible verse where Jesus tells his followers to kill people if they don't convert, just one. And it has to be from the New Testement, (of coars that is the only place where Jesus' teachings are written down anyway.)

And to whoever said that the Ten commandments are null and void, that is not true, Jesus said himself that they are still to be followed, but they say nothing about killing anyone anyway, infact they clearly say "You shall not comit murder."

You are pretty wrong on all counts there...

 - Christianity doesn't toss out of the OT entirely - it never has.  It just picks and chooses at will (kind of like you are doing now, actually).

 - Please cite chapter and verse where Jesus refers to the Ten Commandments.

 - The Fifth Commandment is sometimes translated as "no murder", other times as "no kill".  It depends on the translation.  And, of course, translations into other languages yield other nuances.  Have you read the original version?  No?  Me neither.  I wouldn't call the bible's specific stance on killing clear at all.

Originally posted by Vigilante Vigilante wrote:

Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Sorry - if they read the Bible and claim to be Christian, then they are Christian for all practical purposes.  You don't get to conveniently declare anybody "not a Christian" who does something you disagree with.



That is not true, the Bible clearly states that regardless of what you say, if you are not following and teaching what the Bible teaches then you are not a true christian.

Chapter and verse, please.

But accepting your interpretation regardless, I hereby declare you NOT a true Christian.  Congratulations.



lol...owned.

people need to understand the mentality of how violence in religion leads to people being labeled "radicals."  out of the book religions, the muslim is the youngest and the second largest.  in the early times of jewish and christianity there was alot of this.  give it another 100 years or so and all this will be just like the crusades.

btw i love the fact that one argument was saying that jesus voided alot of the old testiment.  funny as how most use the old testiment to make their arguments count.

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I beg to differ that Christianity is not in a crusade right now. If you talk to some of the more staunch believers that will tell you that we are in a biblical battle in the middle east right now, and that it is good (christianity) vs. evil (islam). It doesn't matter what the original intent of the war was, only what matters in the eyes of the believers.

I am not so sure that christians are as holy as they believe, or in line with God's thinking. Many are wholeheartedly behind the "war on terror" which has killed tens of thousands of innocent people. When car bombs kill innocent people, they call it "murder". When laser-guided bombs kill people, they call it "collateral damage."

I still scratch my head (being a christian), how people ever got that going to war is what God wants. The teachings of Christ are that when confronted, we let our enemy slap both cheeks, give him our coat as well as our shirt, and pray for his forgiveness. That is a far stretch from cheering explosions on the nightly news.

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It is a question for many. Why in the name of God, do we kill. Christianity is a lot less extreme in the kill in the name of God game than the current crop of Islamic fanatics.
I can not remmember the last time the religious police walked the streets of America (maybe the Salem Witch Trials) and condemned to public punishment those non-believers, or any transgretion(sp)against God.
Remmember Thursdays in Riyad, where "Chop Chop Square" was off limits due to punishment day.

I really do prefere the more passive "hail mary" christian approach to religious punishment over public floggings, blindings, stoning, the decapitation here and there, etc. Or maybe it is time for a good ole Christian Inquisition?
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