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um..... have you ever heard of a mp-5. and as different as 2 mp-5 based guns can be they are quite different and if you were to hold both you would see how much different they actually are. so for mp5 based guns they are completly different.

"I'm not saying they are bad guns, I'm just saying I'd rather shoot a Tippmann." fair enough

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Ah, the temptation to continue fanning the flames.

But I see where you're coming from. In all fairness, I haven't ever dealt with the US-5.

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yeah ok

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Yeah.

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Thanks for the info guys...

I had no idea about that whole racist thing. SOrry if I insulted anyone. Didnt mean to.

At the moment I'm still planning on buying a 98c with qloader. Its cheaper, and most people love it. This combined with a j&j ceramics and a RT would be a pretty good start right?

@ carl the sniper: That Us-5 is a nice gun. Maybe I'll go for it, but I want to try it first (just as the A5). That the gun is a cheaper version of the A5 is just something i've read somewhere. (i do allot of research ) I would have no idea. I havent played with any of them.

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@ enos:

Yeah that flatline sure looks tempting. And I might buy it later on. But I will settle with a teardrop or a j&j first.
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Originally posted by pattison pattison wrote:

w: yeah, the cyclone uses pressure, but the system has plenty of extra to achieve 300fps. are you asking if it takes more gas? this is always argued over. i think the cyclone takes a little extra, resulting in slightly fewer shots per tank. i have no data to prove this.


thts exactly what i meant
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Originally posted by walter_24 walter_24 wrote:

Thanks for the info guys...

I had no idea about that whole racist thing. SOrry if I insulted anyone. Didnt mean to.

At the moment I'm still planning on buying a 98c with qloader. Its cheaper, and most people love it. This combined with a j&j ceramics and a RT would be a pretty good start right?

@ carl the sniper: That Us-5 is a nice gun. Maybe I'll go for it, but I want to try it first (just as the A5). That the gun is a cheaper version of the A5 is just something i've read somewhere. (i do allot of research ) I would have no idea. I havent played with any of them.

cool maybe someone at your field has one? proshop? though technically calling it "the cheaper versin of the a5" is completly wrong that is kind of a good way of thinking about it.

yeah research is fun.

if you ever need any info about it just pm me or better yet join my forum so others can help

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thnx man will do...

And the biggest problem of all is the place I live.... I live in Belgium. And we dont have a proshop. Ok, we have some, but they are very very limited in gear and stocks... So we have to order most of it from holland, germany, the UK or the USA.

That J&J ceramics for example... I have to order it from the states... nasty... and thath Qloader is over 120$ of shipment. So I'm starting to forget that qloader and go for the blimp.

Any other hints are welcome!!

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EDIT: All of my paintballing buddies have the ION, the A5 or the 98C.. So I've got some markers to try out..


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I would suggest the 98C as a good marker to start with for several reasons , maybe some of them will be "More" important to you because of the time and expense of getting replacement parts/upgrades as you go :

The 98C is just about the most durable and reliable marker out there , followed closely by the A5 , only because of the occasional problems with the Cyclone feed system , this is probably open to debate tho,, a lot of cyclone owners will speak up in defense of it because when it works well which it does in the majority of cases it definitly has advantages over a gravity fed hopper . BUT , if and when problems arise ,if you have a 98C with any agitated (as in Revvy or ReLoader), or positive feed system(as in Halo B , Q-loader ) , you can easily switch back to the original configuration of gravity feed , with a slight loss of performance on the playing field and minimal "Down Time" . Your Cyclone takes a dump , Ya better have a back-up marker or another Cyclone in your gearbag !

Performance-wise , the 98 can be upgraded and modified to equal or surpass the performance of the A5 (again , open to debate ) , but there's versatility options there A'plenty without sacrificing any reliability . In all honesty , there are probably as many upgrades for the A5 too , but again , the cyclone has a LOT of small plastic parts , and the faster you shoot the more stress those parts are subject to .

Personally , even tho I am an AAS degreed electrician in Electronics Engineering Technology with close to 35 years field experience in the "Real world" , I distrust anything electrical or electronic when there is a mechanical alternative available . So take my comments with that Bias in mind , I dont prefer electronics , WAS boards , E-bolts ,,, batteries go dead , wiring gets pinched , things get wet , I dont want to deal with that crap when I am playing paintball . I try to adhere to the K.I.S.S philosophy (Keep It Simple , Stupid !!)

A lot of Modifications (Mods) can be done to both models to improve their performance , consistency and efficiency Ie; Polished internals , Polished and fitted sear , Fitted recievers , Heck , even the Stock barrel can be made to shoot Quite a bit better than it ships from the factory as , so far the mods I've mentioned would cost you about 10 dollars US if you didnt have acess to a sharpening stone , Scotch-brite and some 0000 super fine Steel wool , if you have these things , it'll cost you about 3 to 5 hours of labor to dramatically improve the markers performance in terms of shot to shot velocity consistency , Considerably crisper and lighter trigger pull (as the marker ships , the trigger pull is well over 3 pounds , My trigger pull is just over 8 Oz with only one 98 Cent part that you probably already have) , and an improved Rate of Fire due to reduced friction inside the markers internals (Ya might get 14 BPS instead of 10  ).

Most of the forumers can tell you how to do these mods , or you could do a search using some of the descriptions I used above , If you cant find what you are interested in PM me , I can give you a "How to" and what not to do on these things .

Here are a few links to pictures of things I've done to the original style (pre-custom pro or custom ACT models) I've had :

My original 98 Custom Half speedball / half desertball (I live in Phoenix Arizona , a mostly arid desert-like region)

<img src="http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/almost02.jpg">

Same marker , trying to hide the shiny stuff

<img src="http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/imag0001.jpg">

added some red oak grips (Lefty)

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/speedballtippy 02.jpg">

Second marker (Widowmaker), Most of the upgrades and modifications are internal or not really visible in these pics , but pictured JT 14 inch barrel , Centerfeed , BSA red-dot sight :

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/widowmaker4.jp g">

Showing whats visible on the inside , Ti-Lite hammer , polished internals (witness marks in recievers) , Fitting marks on the recievers to reduce CO2 venting where it wasnt being utilized fully (the sight also helps hold the recievers together) :

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/widowmakerMODS/ti-hamme r-polishing-fittingmarks.jpg">

Detail of the fitted recievers as they mate up , no gaps means less wasted CO2 , I figure this has increased my gas efficiency by at least 15 percent :

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/widowmakerMODS/clamshel l-fitted-no-gaps.jpg">

Sorry for all the run-ons and grammatical errors , its late , I just got off a 10 hour swing shift and have been up for 22 and a half hours , I'm Exhausted and on my second ,err , third  Heineken (the store was out of Michelob beer  )

 

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thnx man!!! great help!!

awesome markers too!!

I agree on the E-grip, battery thingy's. My friends almost always play woodsball, rain or no rain, so an E-grip would last very long I think. I'll probably take the RT.

Now that I know that shipping the qloader to Belgium is 126$, (ttooooo muchh) I'm thinking of getting an A5. That way I dont need to buy a feed-hopper. Just the RT, a barrel (j&j) and I've got a good starters kit.
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I would NOT suggest the Us-5. It has reliability issues and Carl will tell you it is the BEST Woodsball Marker out there until he is blue in the face. And it IS bootleg. Yes, the A5 is based off of the MP5, but the US-5 looks more like an A5 than an MP5 anyway.

And look at it this way, the US-5 has been out for several months, if it is THAT great (Like Carl claims) then why are they not EVERYWHERE? Go to a local field, All you will see is A5's 98c's Rental 98's, a cocker or two and possibly a BT.

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^^^my local shop has a us-5, and it's actually pretty decent.  It's almost an exact copy of the A-5 except for the grip and cyclone... 

pretty much, they're the exact same design...  so i don't see how the A5 is "better".  I'd get a 98c, though.  oh, wait, i already have one

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I've kinda set my mind.... I'll buy the following:
  • A5 (NO qloader)
  • duel trigger (hope to find the jcs)
  • HPA
  • barrel --> Smart Parts Linear Barrel
The idea is to have a woodsball gun, with a tiny bitt of speedball on it..




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Originally posted by walter_24 walter_24 wrote:


I've kinda set my mind.... I'll buy the following:
  • A5 (NO qloader)
  • duel trigger (hope to find the jcs)
  • HPA
  • barrel --> Smart Parts Linear Barrel
The idea is to have a woodsball gun, with a tiny bitt of speedball on it..

You will need an Egrip, the Cyclone is a little big and it will total around $350.
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is an e-grip a must have??? 
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only if you "must have" full auto, burst, and be able to shoot high bps in semi. i use a response trigger, and it is great, but i would have been happy with just a regular mechanical a5. some people have had reliability issues with the egrip i think.

edit: and i wouldnt get the double trigger if you decide to get the rt

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Originally posted by walter_24 walter_24 wrote:

is an e-grip a must have???

If you want to be able to walk your double trigger.
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see styro folme can be mature about it.

us-5 is not unreliable... and i don't believe the us-5 is the best woodsball marker out there (cause i love the rap series) just saying it might be the best for the price.

"Yes, the A5 is based off of the MP5, but the US-5 looks more like an A5 than an MP5 anyway." hmm.... that makes alot of sense.

seriously for a marker that's been out for a few months, they are all over the place. chances are you will only have a few at your field if your proshop doesn't sell them. i was pbing a few weeks ago and i counted 4-5. not bad for gun that hasent been out that long.

"All you will see is A5's 98c's Rental 98's, a cocker or two and possibly a BT." ahh i see that a whole 5 people play at your field... my field has a wide variety of guns just like all the others ive played at.

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Stop Stop Stop......

The E-grip is only a must if you must have the JCS dual trigger. It will only work with the E-grip.


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A-5
E-Grip
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DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber
Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted

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