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For one, people who play in tourny's are sponsored :-P what gear on? You're adding a copper tube, on\off valve (which isn't even needed) and an X-Core... X-Core would simply take the place of a regulator.
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an x core is not a regulator... an x core makes it so that little or no liquid co2 goes into your marker
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I know that... LOL, I was saying if you had HPA you would have a REGULATOR there, with C02 you would have an X-Core inplace of the REGULATOR...wow. Note the "Take the place OF the regulator* not "It is a regulator"

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Originally posted by RevoXT RevoXT wrote:

HPA is cheaper at your field.. are you in the twilight zone? C02 Fills at field are like 5$ Here HPA Is like 9$... I have no problems with C02.. I haven't added my X-Core yet so it'll be even better when I do, Anti-Siphon does fine I can do fully auto and NEVER freeze up, the only good thing about HPA is you could get a 72CI\4800 and get about 1,600 shots.. :-P, and QcXF pm me and I'll give you a look of it with Macroline right when I hook it up which will probly be on Friday since that's when everything comes in...The drop I am useing is the Shocktech A-5 DropForward w\ On\Off ASA, the on\off is kinda pointless since my tank has a on\off valve lol but it balances the marker VERY well... and tecumseh the only reason I can think of that your Macroline didn't work well is that you most likely didn't have anti-siphon and were rapid firing.. causeing the line to freeze and then crack... and RicWhic414, What are you talking about "Lighter" A GOOD tank which would be 68\4500 runs you about 160-200+ I'm talking Crossfire\Pure Energy... 3000 PSI is just a waste.. Why spend 160-200 when you can spend 20$, add a smart parts on\off valve 20$ and then anti-siphon it for 10$? If you really want to adjust you can get a C02 Regulator... you don't need HPA at all.

If your paying $9 to fill your tank,their bending you over the counter.Thats outrageous.Are field you pay $15 for entry and all day air.that covers you from 12-9pm

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You have MUCH better prices....wow... I wish we had those prices.. with your own gear and gun it's 10$ no free air refills, 2,000 paintballs is about 80$.. this is at Paintball Atlanta.
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Originally posted by RevoXT RevoXT wrote:

HPA is cheaper at your field.. are you in the twilight zone? C02 Fills at field are like 5$ Here HPA Is like 9$... I have no problems with C02.. I haven't added my X-Core yet so it'll be even better when I do, Anti-Siphon does fine I can do fully auto and NEVER freeze up, the only good thing about HPA is you could get a 72CI\4800 and get about 1,600 shots.. :-P, and QcXF pm me and I'll give you a look of it with Macroline right when I hook it up which will probly be on Friday since that's when everything comes in...The drop I am useing is the Shocktech A-5 DropForward w\ On\Off ASA, the on\off is kinda pointless since my tank has a on\off valve lol but it balances the marker VERY well... and tecumseh the only reason I can think of that your Macroline didn't work well is that you most likely didn't have anti-siphon and were rapid firing.. causeing the line to freeze and then crack... and RicWhic414, What are you talking about "Lighter" A GOOD tank which would be 68\4500 runs you about 160-200+ I'm talking Crossfire\Pure Energy... 3000 PSI is just a waste.. Why spend 160-200 when you can spend 20$, add a smart parts on\off valve 20$ and then anti-siphon it for 10$? If you really want to adjust you can get a C02 Regulator... you don't need HPA at all.


speak for yourself, some fields have fill-it-yourself air. i prefer co2, but i usually play at a ghetto place with only a compressor.
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Originally posted by RevoXT RevoXT wrote:

I know that... LOL, I was saying if you had HPA you would have a REGULATOR there, with C02 you would have an X-Core inplace of the REGULATOR...wow. Note the "Take the place OF the regulator* not "It is a regulator"


I was saying that a xchamber doesnt regulate anythin all a xchamber is, is like a coffee filter its lets the light stuff pass threw and the heavy stuff stays in it... the heavy stuff bein liquid co2 and the light stuff bein gas co2.. and regulator only allows a certain psi out so you have consistane air pressure... and those fill prices are crazy its like 3-4 bucks for nitro and 4-5 for co2 depending of size
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Originally posted by RevoXT RevoXT wrote:

You have MUCH better prices....wow... I wish we had those prices.. with your own gear and gun it's 10$ no free air refills, 2,000 paintballs is about 80$.. this is at Paintball Atlanta.

Ooooh, that sux.  I will play at a field every once and awhile.  $10 for the 4 hrs of play time.  Free HPA & I think C02 fills for the entire time.  Paint (PMI Premiums) $50/case.

Unfortunately not very many people show up.  10-20 mostly.  Just enough to play speedball.  If more than that show, we'll play woodsball.

 

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Originally posted by - robbo - - robbo - wrote:

so why do all torney playes use air and not co2?....jst seems like a hell of a lot of effort to go through putting all this gear on for the co2.......i spend 100 on my air tank.....it works lol just like tht......also its not just the liquid u gotta worry about....its still cold...which weakens the o rings yet again and makes the brittle over time.

Most tourney players use markers that can't use C02. 

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Sponsored players naturally have higher-end electronic guns... high-end electronics can't handle any amount of liquid in them or it will fry the solenoid. C02 IS FINE on a non-electro or even certain electros. You can fix almost every problem for a very cheap cost.. Anti-Siphon and X-Core and you won't have any drop off, only gas will enter your gun even under rapid fire 
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Find it hard to believe that this is even a topic , wondering  about those of you who are making comments about Co2 being as good as air have ever used HPA? And as far as HPA fills costing more , yeah maybe in a paint shop , but on any fields I play on  most are free air or co2 . The only one that does charge , charges for co2 not air.

Switching to HPA was the best upgrade I have made period , no comparison at all . No more spikes , no more running out of Co2 while out in the field after fighting my *ss off to remain or carry out the objective only to run out of Co2 because someone is not really sure on how to give a full fill. Happened more often than not, use to drive me crazy. NOt once have i run out since switching to HPA (68ci 4500) even in a few scenario's.

 

My aim has dramatically improved simply because of how consistent the shots remain. One shot to line up , and second shot to hit the mark. I take so many peeps out that are behind bunkers peering out through peep holes (8"x8") from 60-80' as mentioned above one shot to line up or locate and then adjust with second shot to pop them in their head as they peer out through what they belive to be somewhat safe hole. I contribute this to the consistency of each shot's distance  soley because of using HPA .

Its not a myth its reality HPA will give you consistent shots over and over which is a critical component in woodsball anyways . Never again will I use Co2 or I should say I hope I dont ever have to use Co2 again . I do always bring my old co2 tank along just in case but I am a strong supporter of HPA for the reasons stated above. Dont knock it till you have really tried it for a period of time . I guarantee you wont go back to Co2 ever again .

 

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I'm wondering if you Wrathlon, have ever used anti-siphon c02 in a combo with an 8-stage expansion chamber..? Anti-Siphon prevents most almost all liquid from getting out, but under rapid fire some does, the X-Core gets the rest. That way you are ONLY getting air.. very simple if you think about it. Something tells me when you had C02 you did NOTHING to improve it\fix it, let's compare prices.... Anti-Siphon Tube - 8$, X-Core = 23$, 20oz C02 Tank = 20$... alot cheaper than a 68\4500 tank eh?


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I can play year round with HPA.  Something you can't do with C02 if you live in northern areas of the country like me.
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Meh.. I live in Atlanta.. the coldest it gets here is 30c.. haven't tested in that weather yet since it only gets that cold for like a month
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i live in northern indiana and co2 doesnt cut it out in the cold winter weather.... hpa is teh only way to go... im actually looking for a bigger hpa tank
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being someone who just recently started playing i am interested in knowing the costs of switching...

what all do you need to make an A-5 use HPA instead of co2?

obviously a good start would be a different tank which seems kind of expensive but whatelse would i HAVE to buy?

 

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The A-5 can use HPA without modifications. 

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The only thing about HPA, (besides refill cost check your local refill store) is that for the size of the tank, you don't get as many shots as you do w\ c02. I'd get ATLEAST a 68\4500.... however if your store only fills up to 3,000.... then go with a 68\3000 or bigger. I haven't had any problems with C02 yet so I .... well I don't ever plan on switchin'.
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Yes, it helps to check the infrastructure in you area regarding the maximum pressure HPA fills you can get.  It doesn't make much sense to get a 4500psi tank if nobody in the area can fill above 3000psi.
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Originally posted by Tippmania Tippmania wrote:

I'm wondering if you Wrathlon, have ever used anti-siphon c02 in a combo with an 8-stage expansion chamber..? Anti-Siphon prevents most almost all liquid from getting out, but under rapid fire some does, the X-Core gets the rest. That way you are ONLY getting air.. very simple if you think about it. Something tells me when you had C02 you did NOTHING to improve it\fix it, let's compare prices.... Anti-Siphon Tube - 8$, X-Core = 23$, 20oz C02 Tank = 20$... alot cheaper than a 68\4500 tank eh?

Sorry once again been away for a while .

Yes my friend you are correct I did not install an xchamber or anti syphon  while using C02 but i did install a palmer stabilizer and still have it installed with my HPA set up (Absolutely love it)

 

But as mentioned before the best thing and worth the extra money alone is that I have never run outta air since I switched . when I was using Co2 I would bust my butt getting to the front line or objective only to run outta Co2 , OMG drove me INSANE !! No matter what field i played on its happened . Yes I shoot a lot of paint but not too much for my 68 4500 , never  have I run out not even in scenario's.

 

Your very correct in stating that its much more expensive than upgrading your C02 setup with a few parts or mods. But like most parts if you look around carefully you can find some good deals but have to be really careful with tanks. I found mine for $159.00 which has been reduced since then to $149.00 But its a great tank and I could not be happier . I also live up north where it gets cold quick and stays cold for a long time. I want to be able to get in as much PBing as possible in the cold climate . Much better than sweating in the summer  So Co2 is not an option for me any more .

 

In summary Tippmania you bring forth some very valid points about both HPA and Co2 . I am not knocking Co2 as  I always say  "too each their own" as we all have and live under different circumstances . Choose what best fits your current situation .  Now i pose the question to you my friend have you ever used HPA ?? I mean all day not just a few shots from a friends marker .

 



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