For all the Military guys...

Ken Majors wrote: I would enlist as an 11B infantry....and then tell your drill instructors that it's cool...."I'm with the press" and see how far that gets you. As soon as you die from heat stroke...come back here and let us know how it went. What a dumbass.... Volunteer you MORON....do something for your country...and then be an ARTIST. Don't expect your country to ENABLE you as an Artist.... Christ....I am ranting....my fault....morons get my dander up.

Shut the hell up.


Who the hell are you to call me a moron with out having a piece of an idea what I want to do or why. I dont care if you are enlisted, you're no better then a bum judging me by face value.


No, I dont want to enlist and fight some BS war for some politcal agenda. However if a country attacks ours and poses a real threat, I'll be the first to join up.


I am a photographer, It is what I do, it's my career. I wanted to see if any one could explain to me if there is a possability for pursueing a route to war field documention, with out being in edentured servitude to the goverment, and you chew my ass out about it. I even said in my original post that it was probly a stupid idea, and you neglected to even note that. I was just trying to garnesh some information on the subject, so I could possably view it as a oppurtunity, Simple. I just wanted information.


Instead, You feel all high and mighty because you're enlisted, you feel like you have the right to freely call others morons strictly on the basis of them asking a simple question. You sir, whether you are in the military or not have just struck me as a ignorent, overzealous, bafoon for your ludicrous reaction.


I thank you for freely enlisting to fight in the name of our country, but you need to work on you're civilian attitude, and further... Why the hell would some one want to consider joining the military if they find out the people who are in it, are people like you. Consider what you demonstrate before you preach to others.


Further yet, are you to dare say, documenting our troops would do the country no good, expecialy if I chose to do it in a tasteful, non agenda driven fashion? Who are you to define what is good and what is'nt for our country?



I'm not asking for a free ride, I'm not asking any one to give it to me on a silver platter. I'm all up for training if it was required of me. I'll do what needs to be done, if it so takes my fancy.


Get your facts strait and consider your own mindsett before you call others morons. Maybe then you can actualy help alittle, instead of being a pain in the ass.



Edited by *Stealth* - 03 September 2006 at 2:15am

*Stealth* wrote: No, I dont want to enlist and fight some BS war for some politcal agenda. However if a country attacks ours and poses a real threat, I'll be the first to join up.

Doesnt everyone say they'll be the first to join when we are attacked? Well I say we were already attacked what five years ago? Maybe not by a nation, but an organization that is supported by nations.

Personally I could careless if you joined or not. But I just hear that kind of statement all the time.

Ken Majors wrote: I would enlist as an 11B infantry....and then tell your drill instructors that it's cool...."I'm with the press" and see how far that gets you. As soon as you die from heat stroke...come back here and let us know how it went. What a dumbass.... Volunteer you MORON....do something for your country...and then be an ARTIST. Don't expect your country to ENABLE you as an Artist.... Christ....I am ranting....my fault....morons get my dander up.

This was by far the worst thing I have read on the forum in awhile.

At first I thought it was a joke, someone being sarcastic, but nope, I looked, and it was one of the forum's meat-headed ex-millitary retards.

I am glad you think that all the Journalists over in Iraq and Afganistan are doing nothing to help the country. It is not like they, you know, volunteer to go over into a bloody war zone without any protection and armed with a camera. Yeah man, what a pathetic job. They are such wanna-be artists.

Yes. All of the Journalists over in the war zone should just enlist. Nobody should know what is going on over there back home except for millitary sanctioned press releases. Thats it. Screw the thought of capturing the war for other generations.


Who needs it.


God Bless 'Merica.


And you people wonder why I burn flags...

Ken Majors wrote: He is an individual who wants to go take pictures in a warzone and sensationalize the death and suffering of citizens and soldiers.

And you know this how? Just from him saying he is a photographer?

To be completely honest, times were way better when we didn't have a play by play of war events.

Reading about it in the paper is one thing(yes i know about propaganda, so get your paper from the brits)
But seeing live footage of our boys(and by that i mean coalition(brits, canucks, yanks, romulans, and ze dutch)getting blown to smithereens or legs hacked off only deters todays SOFT young men and women from fighting and DIEING for a CAUSE.

Yes, you can sit back and find it so easy to say"it ain't our fight"sitting on a warm butt with a full belly, as many of my canadian fiends are doing. Or you can help others rebuild their country.

That was more of a rant than anything.

But the best way is to become a member of the "combat camera"folks.

They are semi-enlisted personnel that, while not necessarily embedded with the troops all the time, go out on missions and tasks that will be photograph worthy(like gong on big attacks rather than boring patrols)

They tend to not die, but have high incidences of PTSD.

Hope that helps.

Thor wrote: To be completely honest, times were way better when we didn't have a play by play of war events. Reading about it in the paper is one thing(yes i know about propaganda, so get your paper from the brits) But seeing live footage of our boys(and by that i mean coalition(brits, canucks, yanks, romulans, and ze dutch)getting blown to smithereens or legs hacked off only deters todays SOFT young men and women from fighting and DIEING for a CAUSE. Yes, you can sit back and find it so easy to say"it ain't our fight"sitting on a warm butt with a full belly, as many of my canadian fiends are doing. Or you can help others rebuild their country. That was more of a rant than anything. But the best way is to become a member of the "combat camera"folks. They are semi-enlisted personnel that, while not necessarily embedded with the troops all the time, go out on missions and tasks that will be photograph worthy(like gong on big attacks rather than boring patrols) They tend to not die, but have high incidences of PTSD. Hope that helps.

Thor! Good to see you dropping in, buddy. I'm glad you're keeping safe over there- 4 more of our guys gone today, but you guys are exacting one goddamned hell of a toll for every shot they fire at you. I know you're still inside the wire, but pass the word on the the guys that we're proud of them, and to give 'em hell. If you run into anyone from the Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa (headdress- a balmorral with a blue hackle), let them know we're all keeping track of what's going, and want to see them come home safe- but kick ass in the meantime.



Stealth- as far as I'm aware, all the embedded reporters are already part of accredited news agencies. You're likely have to get hired by one of them and do a fair bit of time at home before they'd let you volunteer for a war zone deployment. I could be wrong, however. I'm nota ware of any policies regarding freelance photographers.



Ken- get off your soapbox. Not everyone agrees with the war, but anyone who wants to see the truth and to report it should be extended the courtesy of doing so. There should be no fear whatsoever of any open and honourable media coverage if the war itself is just. Stealth isn't using or crapping on the troops by wanting to be there. If you want to help him, fine. If not, equally fine- but there's no call for personal attacks; that's just beneath you.

Kristofer wrote: Tae Kwon Do wrote: I am glad you think that all the Journalists over in Iraq and Afganistan are doing nothing to help the country. It is not like they, you know, volunteer to go over into a bloody war zone without any protection and armed with a camera. Yeah man, what a pathetic job. One. They do wear body armor. Two. They do cause harm. When we retook Fallujah, a Marine shot an insurgent faking dead the day after another insurgent who faked dead blew up his friend. The Marine was later harassed in the media for killing innocents. Three. They could really careless for the most part if it will help our cause or not. Look at some of the stories they report. It hurts us more than does good. During WW2. At least the bad stuff was reported later and the media actually helped our war effort. Not damage it today just for ratings.

1) Ok?
2) So that is justification for banning all media? It is not the fault of the
person taking the picture. He is not in charge of how people digest the
photo.
3) It is not the job of a Journalist to 'help out the cause.' The media back
then, 'WW2,' was a propaganda machine. We moved beyond that point,
and we are better because of it. It is not the job of Journalists to "help the
war effort." The fact you think it should be is scary. If a media outlet
'Damages the war effort' by showing what is going on, so be it.
Christ, do they teach you to blame the ZOMG MEDIA in basic training?

Ugh, the thought that people REALLY think that the media's job is to
"support the war effort" is downright chilling....

Edited by Tae Kwon Do - 03 September 2006 at 9:09pm

brihard wrote: Very good points, Tae. The media should not be taking sides- they are supposed to be objective reporters of fact.

And it goes for both sides, pro and con.

Journalists should and often do strive to be as fair as possible. It is not
their job to make the war look any better or worse than it is.

Sorry about kinda exploding in this thread. I am in college to get a degree
in Journalism, and foriegn corespondency is something I am looking into,
if I am not married by then.

I take things like what Ken and Kristofer said personally.

Edited by Tae Kwon Do - 03 September 2006 at 9:21pm

__sneaky__ wrote: you should use you stealthy powers so u dont get shot...

getting shot sucks

Ken Majors wrote: I would enlist as an 11B infantry....and then tell your drill instructors that it's cool...."I'm with the press" and see how far that gets you. As soon as you die from heat stroke...come back here and let us know how it went. What a dumbass.... Volunteer you MORON....do something for your country...and then be an ARTIST. Don't expect your country to ENABLE you as an Artist.... Christ....I am ranting....my fault....morons get my dander up.

Chill dude!

Relax, it's the internet (which is hilarious coming from me...I'm, much more SivellIzzed now). Maybe he doesn't want join. There's nothing wrong with not serving, especially since it is an *ALL-VOLOUNTEER* military.

I serve because I chose to...do you think I want some guy who hates life to be with me? Not especially. But seriously, chillax man.

I mean, look at Sparta...what a crappy City-State. Sure, military might, but no artistic work.

Edit- And uh, if you seriously want to take some art, there are jobs in the Marine Corps, or any military branch, that involve photograhpy.

 

Edited by HOInfantry - 04 September 2006 at 5:47pm