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My thing with "god" is... I'f I'm to truly believe what the bible says. then God is the biggest serial killer and hypocrite to have ever exsisted.

1. The 5th commandment states thou shalt not murder, well then what do you call flooding the entire planet and killing everyone but 8 people... and not to mention all the other instances like when he sent a storm of fire to wipe out those 2 cities. The bible says its cuz everybody was wicked and evil and junk... they're practicing god's promise of free will, if he didnt want us to sin dont give us the option.

2. There is absolutly NO proof that there is or ever has been a god. I mean really... how is there gunna be a random magicall man who has always been in exsistance and got bored one day and created this.

3. (styro kinda beat me to this one with that whole love his people yet send em to hell cuz he can...)

4. God admitted he was a jelous god, soo how can he say he is jelous, and perfect at the same time? doesnt make sence to me so somthing in the bible is wrong... and if we know there are things wrong in the bible. We dont know what we really can or cannot trust.

5. If he truly loved us, why would he make it possible to sin, its not like we would care either way if we didnt know what it was. Its not like this weeds out the bad people, If there was no sin, there would be no bad people.

Now I was formerly a christian, I was raised in a christian home, went to church every week. I did believe what i was being taught... but slowly i started thinking about it and questioning things (somthing most christians think they do but dont.) And I honestly dont believe any of the religions or theories out ther about how the world/universe got here. I dont know, frankly dont care that much. I'm here to live my life while im here and have fun doin it. Nit as it stands, I consider myself an aithiest and dont belive in a god.



Erm, have you ever talked to someone in your church about those reasons?

There really are good answers for that.


Well why dont u try to dissprove me cuz just telling me there are good answers isnt doin much for me.
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Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:

even though i don't like the name, i am an athiest as well.  it makes more sence to make up a story about "god", than for it to actually happen. 

Noah's Arc for example.  He got 2 of every single animal from all over the world into a boat that HE ALONE built.  What did the carnivores eat if there where only 2 of each animal?  Where did they poop?  What prevented the deformities of inbreeding?  Logical christian answer would be "god watched over them".  Well, How come god isn't watching over us now?  Why are children born retarded and not offered a complete life?  Why are people supposedly sent to hell for an eternity of nothing but torture and pain, but then god still loves them?

When i was a kid, i thought God was real.  I also thought Santa was real, as well as the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, and everything on TV.  Did anyone tell me they didn't exist?  No, i figured it out myself.  I did the same thing with christianity. 

Sorry about sounding bitter, guys, but i don't like to be called ignorant.  Beleive what you want, i don't mean for everyone to convert.  I'll respect your choices if you'll respect mine.



Its estimated it took him about 120 years to build...  There was 7 of many animals to sacrifice, fyi.  How much breeding usually takes place over 40 days?

As for the second round of questions, Im not sure.  But just because I dont know, doesnt mean no one does.



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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:

Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

My thing with "god" is... I'f I'm to truly believe what the bible says. then God is the biggest serial killer and hypocrite to have ever exsisted.

1. The 5th commandment states thou shalt not murder, well then what do you call flooding the entire planet and killing everyone but 8 people... and not to mention all the other instances like when he sent a storm of fire to wipe out those 2 cities. The bible says its cuz everybody was wicked and evil and junk... they're practicing god's promise of free will, if he didnt want us to sin dont give us the option.

2. There is absolutly NO proof that there is or ever has been a god. I mean really... how is there gunna be a random magicall man who has always been in exsistance and got bored one day and created this.

3. (styro kinda beat me to this one with that whole love his people yet send em to hell cuz he can...)

4. God admitted he was a jelous god, soo how can he say he is jelous, and perfect at the same time? doesnt make sence to me so somthing in the bible is wrong... and if we know there are things wrong in the bible. We dont know what we really can or cannot trust.

5. If he truly loved us, why would he make it possible to sin, its not like we would care either way if we didnt know what it was. Its not like this weeds out the bad people, If there was no sin, there would be no bad people.

Now I was formerly a christian, I was raised in a christian home, went to church every week. I did believe what i was being taught... but slowly i started thinking about it and questioning things (somthing most christians think they do but dont.) And I honestly dont believe any of the religions or theories out ther about how the world/universe got here. I dont know, frankly dont care that much. I'm here to live my life while im here and have fun doin it. Nit as it stands, I consider myself an aithiest and dont belive in a god.



Erm, have you ever talked to someone in your church about those reasons?

There really are good answers for that.


Well why dont u try to dissprove me cuz just telling me there are good answers isnt doin much for me.


Go to your church, ask the preacher.  He'll be more than happy to help you, and he'll give much better reasoning.



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Dune is a heretic.


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^ i like how people tell you, you are wrong but they cant tell you how your wrong...
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How does Noah live 120 years when living to thirty was considered an uncommon phenomenon back then? Useless question because I believe it's a lie and don't care about the answer. I just don't see how any human could believe that.
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I thought Noah was supposed to be around 400 years old.

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Im not saying you are wrong, Im just saying that if you want to cross christianity off your life list, you should at least do it the justice of really finding flaws.

I cant write off evolution by saying that I dont understand how male/female came into play, just beause some random person cant explain it to me.



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Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

How does Noah live 120 years when living to thirty was considered an uncommon phenomenon back then? Useless question because I believe it's a lie and don't care about the answer. I just don't see how any human could believe that.



Going by the bible, people lived to be 750-950 back then.

Then after the flood god cut the lifespan way back.

I have no proof, but whatever.



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Why didn't Noah put any cool animals in America, why are all the kangaroos and giraffes in other countries?
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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:


"Religious" and "atheist" are not the only choices.



thank you for saying that, its very true

i just dont need anything to look up to, plead to, or judge me. i will live my life based on the laws of the country i live in. and science will be my way to answer questions.

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^ well first you hae to belive the bible to accept that...

^^ yes well i dont believe in evolution either...

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Why didn't Noah put any cool animals in America, why are all the kangaroos and giraffes in other countries?


Cause they couldnt swim : P


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Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:

I have no proof, but whatever.

Props to Jim for complete honesty.

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Kangaroos can deffinatly swim. I made a thread about it.

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Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:

Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

How does Noah live 120 years when living to thirty was considered an uncommon phenomenon back then? Useless question because I believe it's a lie and don't care about the answer. I just don't see how any human could believe that.



Going by the bible, people lived to be 750-950 back then.

Then after the flood god cut the lifespan way back.

I have no proof, but whatever.


Thanks.

The 120 years really caught me off guard because I really don't know all that much about the bible.

My parents were ex-christian turned hippies now entrepeurners. The reason why my mother left Christianity because on the big day that you get accepted into the church as an adult is supposed to be one of the biggest days of your life and the people there are your new family. But as she was being inducted she looked out at the audience of Church goers and noticed the complete indifference in their stare. These people were supposed to be her new family and friends and they didn't give a crap about her.


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Originally posted by Hitman Hitman wrote:

How does Noah live 120 years when living to thirty was considered an uncommon phenomenon back then? Useless question because I believe it's a lie and don't care about the answer. I just don't see how any human could believe that.


Easy, in the time the Bible was written, calanders were WAY different then they are now. The Aztecs (or Mayans, cant remember) were the closest of the ancient people to the modern day calander.

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Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:

I'll break my points up for ease. 1. I am an atheist, and it is infinitely easier for me to lack a belief in a 'god' than to suspend my intelligence.


So, let me get this straight, you don't like being called ignorant... but this comment is fine?


How about this... if you don't believe in God... don't push it down my throat or insult my intelligence or suspension thereof.   In return, I won't push my deism down your throat or call you a moron.


exactly...

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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:


Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:

 I think there's a basic misunderstanding here. As an atheist, I don't have to prove there is no god. Atheism isn't the belief that there is no god, it is the lack of belief.


I would have to disagree - atheism specifically and literally means "un-god-ism".  It is not the mere lack of belief, but the specific belief that there is no god.  Simple non-belief falls into the larger category of agnosticism.

Im gunna have to agree with Clark, Agnostic is more of what your goin for BB
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