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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by paintballinbill paintballinbill wrote:

manual>automatic in almost all situations.


1. Save on Gas2. Save on brake pads(example-downshift as you are approaching a red light, and you don't have to brake as much)3. more control over your car( example- if you are going up a hill, you can stay in a lower gear, instead of the stupid ECU telling your transmission to shift up, and then downshifting again when you are bogging the hell out of the motor)


the only way an auto would be better is if you are drag racing, because autos are much more consistent from run to run.



If I were a racer, I wouldnt drive automatic...


For pure performance, a GOOD automatic/sequential shifter would probably be better than a manual.

For fun, a manual would be better.
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I have a stick and I wish to hell it was an auto.

Say all you want about how you "feel more in touch with the car" and all that nonsense.
I do not feel at all in touch when I am in morning traffic on the way to work, constantly shifting from first to second to first to second for half a damn hour.

Give me a automatic any day.
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I guess it depends where you live. My city isnt very large, so I dont have to worry about heavy traffic any. 
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Originally posted by Hairball!!! Hairball!!! wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by paintballinbill paintballinbill wrote:

manual>automatic in almost all situations.


1. Save on Gas2. Save on brake pads(example-downshift as you are approaching a red light, and you don't have to brake as much)3. more control over your car( example- if you are going up a hill, you can stay in a lower gear, instead of the stupid ECU telling your transmission to shift up, and then downshifting again when you are bogging the hell out of the motor)


the only way an auto would be better is if you are drag racing, because autos are much more consistent from run to run.



I deffinitly say no. Get a slapshift or paddleshift with a shift light and you'll pwn an automatic.


And whale, I'd agree with you there. Heavy city traffic, especially stopping on hills, automatic deffinitly wins. For everything else, I'd take stick.

If I were a racer, I wouldnt drive automatic...


For pure performance, a GOOD automatic/sequential shifter would probably be better than a manual.

For fun, a manual would be better.
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id love to try manual.but i drive an auto.one of my friends swears by manual

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i love manual! i driven my moms bmw z3 its flipin sweet!   you fell like your really driving the car and not the car driving you 

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Originally posted by tippya5extreme tippya5extreme wrote:

i love manual! i driven my moms bmw z3 its flipin sweet!   you fell like your really driving the car and not the car driving you


Wonder why...
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depends...

lazy?=automatic

not lazy?=manual

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I love my manuals, only drawbacks like everyone has stated is the heavy traffic.  Once you are in open road... open up that baby and watch her go. 
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I think auto is better for new drivers cuz they can focus on the road more where as more exsperianced drivers can use manual cuz theyre used to driving and its a lot easier to handle it.

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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

I think auto is better for new drivers cuz they can focus on the road more where as more exsperianced drivers can use manual cuz theyre used to driving and its a lot easier to handle it.

what, videogames not enough experiance?
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Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

brake into the turn


brake before the turn, never into the turn.  if you brake into the turn you are overloading the front and causing yourself to go much slower and with less control.

btw about drag racing, most fast cars use a trip-tronic type of shifter.  you let the clutch out once (at the very start) then just push up for the next gear.  don't need to retouch the clutch again.  trying to go through the gates against a auto or trip-tronic you will probably lose. 

why you think Ferrari is using alot all trip-tronic type clutches in their cars, its faster and cutting edge.
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The Auto Stick debate will never end. The truth of the matter is they both have a place and will continue so for some time.  Although the days of the Conventinal AUTO are VERY numbered.  Soon too be relaced by tech thats been used in heavy truck now for a few years. Basically thier just standard transmishions with computer contoled actuators to work the clutch and shift mehcanisims in the transmishion.

Its pretty neat to drive em (have two at my work in freightliner columbias with a DETROITE series 60).  Can shift WAY faster than myself and clutch service life is better due to the lack of driver error.  BUT currently their design is still flawed and reliabiltiy is not so good.  One model (cant remeber if it was meritors or eatons) used the abs read outs to determin speed for the computer to shift gears.  so as soon as you had a abs problem (VERY common on heavy truck) your trasn mishion would stop working leaving you stranded and requiering an EXPENSIVE service call or tow.

Either way get somee seat time in both an auto and a stick and decide what ya like.  As ya can see some like stick some like autos.  I myself have no probs with either and i HAD to learn stick in order to do my job as a Diesel Heavy truck mehcanic.  I owned MANY autos and a hand full of manules and have been compitant in driving both from the start.  As it stands now i can jump in my stick shift VW and not even think about it and basically drive on auto pilot and same goes for my auto Ford Ranger or my Yamaha Bike (5 speed toe shift LOL).  Hell even driving the big guys has become rutine and they got up too 18speeds and have no sycros so you HAVE to have the rpms DEAD ON MATCHED or your just grinding.  Hell the clutch on em basicall just for starten and stopin.


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Originally posted by darkSIDEofMOON darkSIDEofMOON wrote:


Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

brake into the turn
brake before the turn, never into the turn. if you brake into the turn you are overloading the front and causing yourself to go much slower and with less control.btw about drag racing, most fast cars use a trip-tronic type of shifter. you let the clutch out once (at the very start) then just push up for the next gear. don't need to retouch the clutch again. trying to go through the gates against a auto or trip-tronic you will probably lose. why you think Ferrari is using alot all trip-tronic type clutches in their cars, its faster and cutting edge.


Exactly what I was getting at. They can shift stupidly fast.
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i dont get my licence for 2 years but my dad let me drive his truck and i almost crashed it numerous times because i was to preoccupied with the manual shifting. grrrrrrr. so for my first car im getting my dads suzuki xl7. not too excited bout that. but its auto so ill live with it till i buy my own.

edit: a quick question. does it have to be manual to drift a car?



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I have never driven a manual transmission car, but my friends jeep is manual. He likes it a lot. I guess it just takes some getting used to. I like automatic. I don't have to to much.

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Originally posted by BearClaw BearClaw wrote:

The Auto Stick debate will never end. The truth of the matter is they both have a place and will continue so for some time.  Although the days of the Conventinal AUTO are VERY numbered.  Soon too be relaced by tech thats been used in heavy truck now for a few years. Basically thier just standard transmishions with computer contoled actuators to work the clutch and shift mehcanisims in the transmishion.

Its pretty neat to drive em (have two at my work in freightliner columbias with a DETROITE series 60).  Can shift WAY faster than myself and clutch service life is better due to the lack of driver error.  BUT currently their design is still flawed and reliabiltiy is not so good.  One model (cant remeber if it was meritors or eatons) used the abs read outs to determin speed for the computer to shift gears.  so as soon as you had a abs problem (VERY common on heavy truck) your trasn mishion would stop working leaving you stranded and requiering an EXPENSIVE service call or tow.

Either way get somee seat time in both an auto and a stick and decide what ya like.  As ya can see some like stick some like autos.  I myself have no probs with either and i HAD to learn stick in order to do my job as a Diesel Heavy truck mehcanic.  I owned MANY autos and a hand full of manules and have been compitant in driving both from the start.  As it stands now i can jump in my stick shift VW and not even think about it and basically drive on auto pilot and same goes for my auto Ford Ranger or my Yamaha Bike (5 speed toe shift LOL).  Hell even driving the big guys has become rutine and they got up too 18speeds and have no sycros so you HAVE to have the rpms DEAD ON MATCHED or your just grinding.  Hell the clutch on em basicall just for starten and stopin.


well i think that most traditional motorists like the shifting gates.  while most start up racers use shifters as well.  but once you get up into pro seris you see alot more paddle shift type cars.  why?  because it is faster and less chance of missing a gear which could mean a win or loss.  i don't think that traditional shifters will lose their place because there are still alot of people that want that connected feel, plus they are cheaper.
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Originally posted by Farcry0092 Farcry0092 wrote:

i dont get my licence for 2 years but my dad let me drive his truck and i almost crashed it numerous times because i was to preoccupied with the manual shifting. grrrrrrr. so for my first car im getting my dads suzuki xl7. not too excited bout that. but its auto so ill live with it till i buy my own.


edit: a quick question. does it have to be manual to drift a car?



No, but it helps. If you like to tool around in your car and squeal the tires, drift, donuts, etc, go manual.
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Heavy traffic never bothered me while I was in my manual Jeep. Well, it bothered the hell out of me, but not because I had to shift.

You just learn to pace yourself, not riding right up on the car ahead of you, and you don't have to shift nearly as much as you'd think.

Traffic would move much faster if everybody kept a better following distance. Then we wouldn't all be start-stopping like idiots, moving down the highway like we're all having seizures. I wonder why we feel like we're going so much faster when we rush up to the car ahead of us when there are no stoplights and no way to get around the person in front.

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i got my stang for 2, and it runs with a 3 speed auto, i want a stick tho, its better because i live in the middle of nowhere, styros equation is helpful also

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