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    Posted: 21 June 2006 at 11:31pm
Righty oh


Funny...neither CNN nor MSNBC have a story on it on their front pages.. trying to lay low on the fact that they were wrong I would venture to guess...


Let it be noted that the so called "Defense Department Official" has no name and does not make an official statement on behalf of the DD.

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Its an old story.

They have been finding small traces of old-chemicals in shells for a while.

That =/= imminent threatening stockpiles.


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Yeah, see having depleted mustard gas still doesn't justify a war.

Oh, and as of late, I'm more likely to trust the Daily Show than Fox News.

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BUT it throws out all of the anit-war peoples defense of "No WMD's found hence no WMD's exist".



Plus, even though some of it is degraded.. I'd love to see if you'd be willing to bury it in your back yard.

I mean.. if it isnt dangerous or anything.....

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The UN knew of those pre 1991 duds, the Iraqi survey group knew they were useless since they predated Desert Storm and couldn't kill anyone outside of their blast. No one in the administration has mentioned them because the crap they found is laughable. Denote how the only two people coming out are two republicans.
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i give this 1 hour before it hits 4 pages.
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Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

   Denote how the only two people coming out are two republicans.


Note how 2 democratic news services have said nothing about it (CNN / MSNBC).

Goes both ways buddy.

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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

i give this 1 hour before it hits 4 pages.

il take that bet

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

BUT it throws out all of the anit-war peoples defense of "No WMD's found hence no WMD's exist".

Right. 

Once again, depleted gasses. The ones we knew he had already. There was no doubt. They are not new. He has gotten them since the first Gulf War.

It was not a stockpile. It was not a threat. We went to war on the basis of STOCKPILES of DANGEROUS AQUIRED WMD's.


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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

   Denote how the only two people coming out are two republicans.


Note how 2 democratic news services have said nothing about it (CNN / MSNBC).

Goes both ways buddy.

Becuase it is not a news-worthy story.

They have had stories of finding munitions shells with old-gas in it. It is simply not a big deal.

It seems it is only the people grasping for the straws of support for the war that feel the need to flip out and point to a depleted mustard gas shell dated 1985 and screaming "HA PROOF!"


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Stock pile==== stock·pile    ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stkpl)
n.
A supply stored for future use.




Before we went in in '03 he said he got rid of them all.   This right here shows he didn't. Proof that he couldnt be trusted.


Again, not all of those munitions are "depleted". It all varies on many variables. Some are some aren't.

But answer this question-- would you put some of those "depleted" munitions in your back yard?


My guess would be no.



If it's old news, why does the majority of the anti-war movement still claim no WMD's found? Ignorance?

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If this was groundbreaking news do you think it would have been withheld for 3 whole years?
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Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

If this was groundbreaking news do you think it would have been withheld for 3 whole years?


Read the article-- Recently Declassified, meaning it was classified before meaning it was illegal to leak out.

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Why's it so hard to believe a selfish nation went to war for selfish reasons?
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Originally posted by ridesnowbrdr ridesnowbrdr wrote:

Why's it so hard to believe a selfish nation went to war for selfish reasons?



Explain if youre going to spit our rhetoric.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

If this was groundbreaking news do you think it would have been withheld for 3 whole years?


Read the article-- Recently Declassified, meaning it was classified before meaning it was illegal to leak out.


Classified or not if it was something to save face the administration would have done it. And Rick Santorum is a hardcore rightwinger whos popularity is on the slide very much, he swings from Bushes nuts like they're a playground. The man is trying to save face by throwing out old news.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


Before we went in in '03 he said he got rid of them all.   This right here shows he didn't. Proof that he couldnt be trusted.

our own government can't be trusted, that doesn't mean we go to war with it...

point still stands we knew he had them before and we never denied he still had the depleted stuff lying around.
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You think our nation went to war for the sole reason Iraq was a threat to our freedom and safety, or to actually get something out of it?

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Stock pile==== stock·pile    ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stkpl)
n.
A supply stored for future use.

Dictionary's are not good for this kinda thing. The connotation of Stockpile is a very large, active, ready to use group. That is not the case here.



Before we went in in '03 he said he got rid of them all.   This right here shows he didn't. Proof that he couldnt be trusted.

Ok. Why not let the UN guys find them? If they found them, would we still invade?


Again, not all of those munitions are "depleted". It all varies on many variables. Some are some aren't.

Are you a millitary expert? I am strictly going on what has been reported, and that is that the gas is aged beyond use.

The story you posted yourself said:

"Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent."


But answer this question-- would you put some of those "depleted" munitions in your back yard?

Rhetoric. Useless.

Would you like to tell the familys of the soldiers who have died that their husbands, wifes, children, fathers, mothers, died so the world would be safe from some old depleted mustard gas? 


My guess would be no.





If it's old news, why does the majority of the anti-war movement still claim no WMD's found? Ignorance?

Becuase the way WMD was used to convince people of this war, does not equal the depleted gas shells.

 



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