This had better not pass

Me? In the same class as linus.........I think I'd rather bang rosie O donnel than be anywhere near even thought about concidered to be anywhere close to linus..

Gone for a little while and look at all the crap I have to deal with...

What, I cant be against **edited** marriage becuase it's my choice to be?

I'm against communism becuase it's my choice too.. oh noez, call me discrimintory for that too!

I'm against slavery, oh noez, I discriminate against slave owners!

I'm allowed to think what I want on this issue, just as you are.

Choopie wrote: I know you "know" a **edited** guy from work, but have you ever actually talked to him/ got to know him?

I'm going to hope you didnt mean to sound as dumb as you did.

Kind of hard to work with a guy every day and not talk to him, isnt it? Mkay then.



Now the fun part.. Brihard.


Brihard, WRONG. Just because some test came to the "conclusion" that they are born like that doesnt make it so.

Many psychologist / psychiatrist / neurologist say ADD is real, while many say it's fake.

Many world renowned scientist say global warming isnt natural and we should take action, while many others say it's the natural cycle of the earth.



"Proof" pointing to both sides of the arguement.

Many educated people believe, and have "proof", that homosexuality is a born thing, yes. But just as many believe, and have "proof", that it's a choice.

"Proof" for natural--- Can smell the hormones and are turned on by them.

Counter-point--- They attract themselves to people that dont even have to be in the same local area... look at a picture and get turned on. Pretty damn sure their hormones arent passing through the computer.   Dont have smell-o-vision in mass production quite yet.


"Proof" for natural--- Animals do it...

Counter-point--- Then whats to say it isnt a mental disability? Like psychosis or schitzophrenia? Then it isnt natural, but a mutation of a gene.

(The next one isnt mutually connected to the proceeding one)

"Proof"--- It's in the genes.

Counter-point--- Nurtured in a specific way that made them **edited**, hence making it a choice, NOT in-born.



"Proof" that it's a choice---- Many women report going homosexual after being raped or experiencing sexual abuse from males, or even just getting tired of guys in general.

Yup.. it's natural.. thats why then were attracted to guys for a long time, then poof, nature kicked in and made them **edited**.

Edited by Linus - 06 June 2006 at 11:12pm

Gatyr wrote: While you are here, what have homosexuals done to hurt you so badly that they shouldn't be allowed to live life as a normal heterosexual couple would?

duh.

linus isn't making any forward progress. he's just resorted to slinging insults around and repeating the same crap over and over. we get it, the people are **edited** for whatever reason. point is why should they not be allowed marriage?

I'll take your last point first- the instance of women being raped and turning homosexual is grossly anomalous, and is a neurotic or psychotic condition. We're talking strict biology here.

You quote "conclusion" as if the scientific method is not worth considering. The biochemical effects of sex hormones on foetuses is hard science, clinically proven. Too much exposure to a sex hormone will skew the careful baalcne that regulates neural and physical development. An XY chromosome male genotype may develop a female phenotype as a result of excessive exposre to estrogen in the womb. The converse is true. There is an entire tribe of people in which a certian hormone balance runs genetically througha  portion of the population- many children are born as girls, then around age 11 suddenly develop over the course of mere montsh complete male reproductive organs, and assume all male physical traits. Transvestitism has been heavily researched and linked to hormone imbalances as well.

Homosexuality is due to a conflict between hormones present in prenatal development, and the hormones that one's own body later produces. Genetic males may be completely female physically, despite having an XY chromosome.

Homosexuality generally occurs when a person grows up in a body that is one genotype when they brain is producing hormones at levels appropriate for the opposite sex, or the brain itself may be developed as the opposite sex.

You claim that there is 'proof' that it is a choice, when in the vast majority of situations, it is not. Certainly some women choose to be lesbians, but that is free will as opposed to biological determinism.

You can try to spready ambiguity or anomalous scenarios, however that changes nothing- yalling WRONG repeatedly does not make it so. You are merely trying (and failing) to rationalize an unreasonable prejudice you are not willing to admit you hold. I don't even see the point of that idiotic comment about seeing a picture on a computer- visual stimuli has long been proven to have sexual arousal effects.

You cannot use indecisions or failings of science on one point to condemn another. That's fallacious, and frankly I'm surprised you think me dumb enough to buy that kind of tactic.

Fundanmentally, homosexuals are humans, and thus are entitled to human rights, which include freedom of self determination, and freedom to enter contract if adult and metnally sound. To argue that because of a hormone or chemical imbalance that they should be held as second class citizens is thoroughly disgusting. It is EXACTLY the same as arguing the same discrimination for blacks, or aryans, or people suffering from dwarfism, or people whoa re unusually good runners. Different genetic or hormonal expressions that have no bearing whatsoever on the fact that they are nonetheless a person equal in all ways to you or I, and ENTITLED to the same right- for rights are not a privilege, they are an entitlement. The state that begins to view rights as a privilege is called a tyrrany.

You can be against homosexual marraige becuase you choose to be, but you cannot claim that you can justify it or ratioanlize it by any moral standards notdependent on a religious blind faith. Morality must have some tangible foundation in the good and harm that it does people, and your views cannot in any way be justified. You simply hold them for whatever ignorant reason you do.


Edited by brihard - 06 June 2006 at 11:26pm

Does anyone else find it strange the only people following Jesus around were dudes? And why werent there any ladies at the last supper? Didnt any of them have wives? Isnt is strange for 13 men not to have any wives? Hmmmm... Maybe someone editted the reasoning out of the bible to better push their agenda.

I only believe in Science when it proves points I agree with.

Linus wrote: Dont use the "if you were in their shoes" arguement... doesnt mean anything. If you were in MINE you'd think MY way, correct? See.. logic is flawed. As for Mbro...I revert you to my original post... Linus wrote: SO.. if someone wants to marry their sisters (Boss >_>) they should be allowed to? If someone wants polygymy, they should be allowed to? If someone wants to marry their dog, they should be allowed to? Sorry.. make concessions for one and you have to for ALL. Talk about discrimination... I mean... you condone the guy getting married to his dog? If not, why not? Solely because of the sex? What about marrying his sister?

I do "if you were in their shoes", you do "slippery slope"

And now on to your points

Sister: Illegal do to public health reasons.

Dog: Illegal because dogs cannot sign a contract.

i think everyone needs to chill out. this is an internet forum that isn't going to mean squat.

i'm against **edited** marriage, the vast majority of you liberals are not. fine. but what all you weeners are getting so hot and heated about w/ Linus not answering is a bogus question to begin with.

"good answer" is a relative term. my good reason for not agreeing for **edited** marriage is good enough for me and many others. Linus disagrees for whatever reason he wants...its his to decide, relative to his life.

I don't want to hear "zomg it scares me how close minded you conservatives can be." shut up. its reality. it scares me how far this country has moved away from its roots. stop being liberal sissy's.

Styro Folme wrote: why do people care who marries who....  it's not their **edited**ing life

because **edited** people are wierd...