Snipers are real

Rambino wrote: It is when ADULTS get engaged in a terminology discussion with children over a game that the embarassment begins.

I will point out that you are as guilty of this as the rest of us.

I always love to see a lawyer hoisted by his own petard.

The problem here is a true military vs civilian issue. Lets look deeper. Paintball as originally developed for the masses was a "wargame" where civilians could play "soldier" without the consequences associated with it. Active and ex-military enjoyed the game and began to impart the tactics and techniques of thier proffesion, and the civilians began to mimic them.

Then came the dramatic split between the PC crowd and the military theme crowd. And since then the game has turned in ot a jumble of styles and techniques where unfortuanately TEAMWORK has almost become secondary.

From major scenarios to backyard ball someone in the group decides he will do "his own thing" and his team then suffers. No other organized TEAM sport allows players to leave the TEAM concept for an individual approach.

Yes we military types comment and try to impart the knowledge of expierience on those armed with just a concept, just a a pro baseballer will teach a little leaguer how to play the game. But too many here take offense or just refuse to see the true nature of thier arguement.

I do not care who calls themselves what. Anytime I lead a TEAM, when a young trooper announces "I will be the sniper", I immediately adjust my combat power accordingly figuring our "hero" will "hide and hope", contribute little to the overall team mission, but will allways share in the glory of victory.

Ask anyone who has seen me play, I can use techniques and talents learned only from years of expierience both military and just playing this game, yet try to teach a technique or skill and our amatuer freind will figure what does this oldguy know and will go off and do his own thing and can not understand why it does no work like he sees in the hollywood version.

I have two very distinctly designed "Interdiction Rifles" a moded SL68II, with teflon lined barrel, modified liquid valve, offset spotting scope, and all the accuracy at 20-30meters to be expected from a round ball fired from a smoothbore. The other is a highly modified 68Special, again teflon lined barrel, modified valve assembly, and a purposely designed muzzelbrake to increase the noise signature of the marker, accuracy is again to be the norm expected, and the sound accomplishes more than than the ball for the mission required. Each is mission specific, but in no sense are they "sniper rifles".

Can we please let this die?

yea i saw it on the other day, i think they were playing in sunny california....didnt watch the entire thing though

It's like California, just the water's on the other side.

aGUYnamedLARRY wrote: __sneaky__ wrote: jerseypaint wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: jerseypaint wrote: carl_the_sniper wrote: ANARCHY_SCOUT wrote: dude you realize he probably is 12. no snipers end of story, period. our lord ANARCHY_SCOUT has spoken, let it be. now can we talk about flamethrowers in paintball. i've been playing for 15 years and i use mine every game i have a flmathrower to...but i only use it on useless threads...it types the letters for me hey did any1 notice the kid who posted this thread hasnt replied for the longest time...Well it was a long war and many have fallen to the stupidty of the other side but we have triumph so lets us sip our champaigne and dance in teh streets to the music of our conutry men...Hooray *flamethrower*anyone*hasn't*stupidity*triumphed*champagne*th e*countryQuit posting. Anyone who miss-spells "stupidity" is not allowed to comment on the ignorance of others. I never get any respect. (or how i wuld have typed it if i wasn't in fear of usafpilot07) i neva get no reptsect You have to earn respect dude, it's not just a given thing. Yeah exactly, my idea of what sniping in paint ball would be is either sharpshooter or light rifleman

i never said it was given...where did u guys get that from?..i was quoting Rodney Dangerfield...

daniero wrote: I have actually enjoyed this thread a lot, I'm learning from you guys . I had the chance to actually see good arguments and not just the typical "no-snipers-in-paintball-shut-up-IBL-LOCK" threads.

whats there to learn the morons are just repeating themselves over and over

... sorry it's the menopause

Edited by carl_the_sniper - 29 May 2006 at 8:59pm

Snake6 wrote: Rambino, Never in a million years did I expect you be arguing with the pro-sniper people.

He just needs a good argument once a week or so. It keeps his skills sharp.

daniero wrote: Not that I'm learning something new, but why is this so debated.

once again cause there morons.

I'm trying to wrap my head around this whole 'sniper' thing.

In order to better understand, let me ask something.

If a real military sniper was running around with a group of grunts/rifleman, occasionally popping his bipod out and resting it on something and firing an occasional shot, would he really be a sniper?  Just because he's hefting his Barret around?  Or is the act of being a sniper require stealth and stationary concealment?

In another example, if a real military sniper only had a standard rifle and scope, which didn't offer any range advantage with the enemy, but used stealth (ghillie suit for instance) and stationary concealment to hide his position, would he not be considered a sniper because he's not using an actual sniper rifle?

Mirriam-Webster defines a sniper as:

1)  one who shoots at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage

It makes no mention of range, or the ability of the enemy to be able to shoot back.

This tells me that there can be paintball snipers.  They are simply people who typically are more stealthy (possibly through the use of extra camo), who lie in wait to pick off people who don't notice them until it's too late.

Edited by Torquestar - 29 May 2006 at 9:29pm