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MARIJUANA MYTHS

by Paul Hager
Founding Member, HCRC

1. Marijuana causes brain damage

The most celebrated study that claims to show brain damage is the rhesus monkey study of Dr. Robert Heath, done in the late 1970s. This study was reviewed by a distinguished panel of scientists sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences. Their results were published under the title, Marijuana and Health in 1982. Heath's work was sharply criticized for its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys), its failure to control experimental bias, and the misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged". Actual studies of human populations of marijuana users have shown no evidence of brain damage. For example, two studies from 1977, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed no evidence of brain damage in heavy users of marijuana. That same year, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially came out in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That's not the sort of thing you'd expect if the AMA thought marijuana damaged the brain.

2. Marijuana damages the reproductive system

This claim is based chiefly on the work of Dr. Gabriel Nahas, who experimented with tissue (cells) isolated in petri dishes, and the work of researchers who dosed animals with near-lethal amounts of cannabinoids (i.e., the intoxicating part of marijuana). Nahas' generalizations from his petri dishes to human beings have been rejected by the scientific community as being invalid. In the case of the animal experiments, the animals that survived their ordeal returned to normal within 30 days of the end of the experiment. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system.

3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug -- it leads to hard drugs

This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be found in Holland. The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use -- heroin and cocaine -- have DECLINED substantially. If marijuana really were a gateway drug, one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not down. This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been observed in the United States. Studies done in the early 1970s showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of alcohol. A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not, found that where marijuana was more available -- the states that had decriminalized -- hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.

4. Marijuana suppresses the immune system

Like the studies claiming to show damage to the reproductive system, this myth is based on studies where animals were given extremely high -- in many cases, near-lethal -- doses of cannabinoids. These results have never been duplicated in human beings.

5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco

Smoked marijuana contains about the same amount of carcinogens as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered, however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes marijuana. This is because smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs while marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. Two other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws directed against marijuana users make it difficult to smoke safely. These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic. This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the reverse is true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco.

6. Legal marijuana would cause carnage on the highways

Although marijuana, when used to intoxication, does impair performance in a manner similar to alcohol, actual studies of the effect of marijuana on the automobile accident rate suggest that it poses LESS of a hazard than alcohol. When a random sample of fatal accident victims was studied, it was initially found that marijuana was associated with RELATIVELY as many accidents as alcohol. In other words, the number of accident victims intoxicated on marijuana relative to the number of marijuana users in society gave a ratio similar to that for accident victims intoxicated on alcohol relative to the total number of alcohol users. However, a closer examination of the victims revealed that around 85% of the people intoxicated on marijuana WERE ALSO INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL. For people only intoxicated on marijuana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other research using completely different methods. For example, an economic analysis of the effects of decriminalization on marijuana usage found that states that had reduced penalties for marijuana possession experienced a rise in marijuana use and a decline in alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased. This would suggest that, far from causing "carnage", legal marijuana might actually save lives.

7. Marijuana "flattens" human brainwaves

This is an out-and-out lie perpetrated by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America. A few years ago, they ran a TV ad that purported to show, first, a normal human brainwave, and second, a flat brainwave from a 14-year-old "on marijuana". When researchers called up the TV networks to complain about this commercial, the Partnership had to pull it from the air. It seems that the Partnership faked the flat "marijuana brainwave". In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly INCREASING alpha wave activity. Alpha waves are associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

8. Marijuana is more potent today than in the past

This myth is the result of bad data. The researchers who made the claim of increased potency used as their baseline the THC content of marijuana seized by police in the early 1970s. Poor storage of this marijuana in un-air conditioned evidence rooms caused it to deteriorate and decline in potency before any chemical assay was performed. Contemporaneous, independent assays of unseized "street" marijuana from the early 1970s showed a potency equivalent to that of modern "street" marijuana. Actually, the most potent form of this drug that was generally available was sold legally in the 1920s and 1930s by the pharmaceutical company Smith-Klein under the name, "American Cannabis".

9. Marijuana impairs short-term memory

This is true but misleading. Any impairment of short-term memory disappears when one is no longer under the influence of marijuana. Often, the short-term memory effect is paired with a reference to Dr. Heath's poor rhesus monkeys to imply that the condition is permanent.

10. Marijuana lingers in the body like DDT

This is also true but misleading. Cannabinoids are fat soluble as are innumerable nutrients and, yes, some poisons like DDT. For example, the essential nutrient, Vitamin A, is fat soluble but one never hears people who favor marijuana prohibition making this comparison.

11. There are over a thousand chemicals in marijuana smoke

Again, true but misleading. The 31 August 1990 issue of the magazine Science notes that of the over 800 volatile chemicals present in roasted COFFEE, only 21 have actually been tested on animals and 16 of these cause cancer in rodents. Yet, coffee remains legal and is generally considered fairly safe.

12. No one has ever died of a marijuana overdose

This is true. It was put in to see if you are paying attention. Animal tests have revealed that extremely high doses of cannabinoids are needed to have lethal effect. This has led scientists to conclude that the ratio of the amount of cannabinoids necessary to get a person intoxicated (i.e., stoned) relative to the amount necessary to kill them is 1 to 40,000. In other words, to overdose, you would have to consume 40,000 times as much marijuana as you needed to get stoned. In contrast, the ratio for alcohol varies between 1 to 4 and 1 to 10. It is easy to see how upwards of 5000 people die from alcohol overdoses every year and no one EVER dies of marijuana overdoses.

WHAT IS THE HCRC?

The Hoosier Cannabis Relegalization Coalition (HCRC) is a non profit organization involved in public education efforts directed toward reforming drug policy. Specifically, we support the relegalization of cannabis for use as medicine, industrial product, and recreational drug.

The HCRC also advocates an to end urine and hair testing of workers by private industry. These kinds of tests violate worker privacy to no good purpose because they detect past use of certain drugs (mostly marijuana) while ignoring others (e.g., LSD) and cannot detect current impairment. In situations where public and worker safety is a legitimate concern, we advocate impairment testing devices which reliably detect degradation of performance without infringing upon worker privacy.

For more information about the activities of the HCRC write us at HCRC, PO Box 1103, Bloomington, IN, 47402 or e-mail to hagerp@cs.indiana.edu on the internet.

SOURCES

1)   Marijuana and Health, Institute of Medicine, National Academy
of Sciences, 1982. Note: the Committee on Substance Abuse and
Habitual Behavior of the Marijuana and Health study had its
part of the final report suppressed when it reviewed the
evidence and recommended that possession of small amounts of
marijuana should no longer be a crime (TIME magazine, July 19,
1982). The two JAMA studies are: Co, B.T., Goodwin, D.W.,
Gado, M., Mikhael, M., and Hill, S.Y.: "Absence of cerebral
atrophy in chronic cannabis users", JAMA, 237:1229-1230, 1977;
and, Kuehnle, J., Mendelson, J.H., Davis, K.R., and New,
P.F.J.: "Computed tomographic examination of heavy marijuana
smokers", JAMA, 237:1231-1232, 1977.

2) See Marijuana and Health, ibid., for information on this
research. See also, Marijuana Reconsidered (1978) by Dr.
Lester Grinspoon.

3) The Dutch experience is written up in "The Economics of
Legalizing Drugs", by Richard J. Dennis, The Atlantic Monthly,
Vol 266, No. 5, Nov 1990, p. 130. See "A Comparison of
Marijuana Users and Non-users" by Norman Zinberg and Andrew
Weil (1971) for the negative correlation between use of
marijuana and use of alcohol. The 1993 Rand Corporation study
is "The Effect of Marijuana Decriminalization on Hospital
Emergency Room Episodes: 1975 - 1978" by Karyn E. Model.

4) See a review of studies and their methodology in "Marijuana
and Immunity", Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, Vol 20(1),
Jan-Mar 1988

5) The 90% figure comes from Health Consequences of Smoking:
Nicotine Addiction, Surgeon General's Report, 1988
. In Health
magazine in an article entitled, "Hooked, Not Hooked" by
Deborah Franklin (pp. 39-52), compares the addictives of
various drugs and ranks marijuana below coffeine. For current
information on cannabis drinks see Working Men and Ganja:
Marijuana Use in Rural Jamaica
by M. C. Dreher, Institute for
the Study of Human Issues, 1982, ISBN 0-89727-025-8. For
information on cannabis and actual cancer risk, see Marijuana
and Health
, ibid.

6) For a survey of studies relating to cannabis and highway
accidents see "Marijuana, Driving and Accident Safety", by
Dale Gieringer, Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, ibid. The
effect of decriminalization on highway accidents is analyzed
in "Do Youths Substitute Alcohol and Marijuana? Some
Econometric Evidence" by Frank J. Chaloupka and Adit
Laixuthai, Nov. 1992, University of Illinois at Chicago.

7) For information about the Partnership ad, see Jack Herer's
book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, 1990, p. 74. See also
"Hard Sell in the Drug War", The Nation, March 9, 1992, by
Cynthia Cotts, which reveals that the Partnership receives a
large percentage of its advertizing budget from alcohol,
tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies and is thus disposed
toward exaggerating the risks of marijuana while downplaying
the risks of legal drugs. For information on memory and the
alpha brainwave enhancement effect, see "Marijuana, Memory,
and Perception", by R. L. Dornbush, M.D., M. Fink, M.D., and
A. M. Freedman, M.D., presented at the 124th annual meeting of
the American Psychiatric Association, May 3-7, 1971.

8) See "Cannabis 1988, Old Drug New Dangers, The Potency
Question" by Tod H Mikuriya, M.D. and Michael Aldrich, Ph.D.,
Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, ibid.

9) See Marijuana and Health, ibid. Also see "Marijuana, Memory,
and Perception", ibid.

10) The fat solubility of cannabinoids and certain vitamins is
well known. See Marijuana and Health, ibid. For some
information on vitamin A, see "The A Team" in Scientific
American
, Vol 264, No. 2, February 1991, p. 16.

11) See "Too Many Rodent Carcinogens: Mitogenesis Increases
Mutagenesis", Bruce N. Ames and Lois Swirsky Gold, Science,
Vol 249, 31 August 1990, p. 971.

12) Cannabis and alcohol toxicity is compared in Marijuana
Reconsidered
, ibid., p. 227. Yearly alcohol overdoses was
taken from "Drug Prohibition in the United States: Costs,
Consequences, and Alternatives" by Ethan A. Nadelmann,
Science, Vol 245, 1 September 1989, p. 943.
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Druid,

You Sir are a Hypocrit.

It's not very often that I use that, and others on the forum willl vouch for that.

You can't honestly tell me that the Law anticipates all circumstances/situations. You need to stop hiding behind the law and start making desicions for yourself.

First you claim that as long as its not illegal, you will allow your kids to do it. Then you go back on your claim and say that you would not allow your kids to smoke the legal substance "Saliva".

Your type of parenting is the type that gets causes kids to go hog wild as soon as they are out of your grasp. I have seen it personally, a kid who has parents like you that don't talk to their kids and explain to them the proper drinking habits in highschool are the kids that graduate, go to beachweek and are so drunk they have to be transported to the hospital because they have not learned about responsible drinking habits from their parents. You do not have to condone drinking, but you should explain to your kids the responsiblities involved with drinking so when they do go somewhere and drink (as they inevitably will) they will be responsable about it.

I'm sorry but if you honestly think that your kids will never try drinking or smoking while under your roof you have pulled the wool over your own eyes.

Also Chewps Modding Scenrio is a perfectly viable one. You have not been here long enough to know this, but a few years ago the way he explained it was almost exactly how the forum was modded. You had one chance, that was it. If you broke one significant forum rule your account was guested and most of the time you were IP Banned. If your offense was bad enough, your ISP was contacted and your internet was cut off. Guess what? We lost alot of very helpful/good forumers that slipped up once and cursed then were guested(I actually remember one instance that someone[I forget who] was guested because of a song title.) also we didn't have a language filter so if you slipped up, it showed your screwup in all of its glory. This modding style more than accurately represents your parenting style.

After the mod who the main implementor of this policy left, the forum went downhill rapidly. There were major infractions that were not taken care of because as soon as the mod left, the forumers were turned loose with no responsiblity because it was never tought to them. We are still recovering from this loss. This is what happens when an overly stong handed parent (such as yourself) cuts his children loose into society without you hovering over their shoulder telling them what to do.

I think the three strikes rule is more than fair, don't you think? Nevermind, don't answer that you lack the nessicary experiance to answer that question. Would you like to see how it was? I'm sure we can arrange it so you can find out. Maybe it would cause you to think about how just your parenting style actually is.


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I can't believe the amount of personal attacks on Druid over his stance on weed. Maybe his ideas are different from yours, and hey, that's ok. Maybe you feel his methods are parenting are misguided or antiquated or whatever. ANd what if they are? That's not for this forum to decide. But we cannot judge him as a bad parent or a bad person based on what he wrote in one thread on a forum.

If his ideas work for him and his family, then that is all that matters...who are you all to tell him he's wrong?
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Originally posted by druidsdecendant druidsdecendant wrote:

Originally posted by Ruska Ruska wrote:

Hmm, I could take a similar modding stance with you: I cant imagine the thought of you posting druidsdecendant. Post, and I'll guest you. Does that seem fair? Others are posting, their mods are cool with it, as long as they do it in moderation, and at appropriate times, places, and subjects. I wont let you learn how to post appropriatly on your own. I wont be here to tell you "now now, that wasnt appropriate, dont do it again" and let you learn your lesson. I'm preventing the remote posibility that you would ever post something inappropriate by not letting you post in the first place. Post, and you're off my forum, post something innapropriate and I'll have your internet disconnected. Now does that seem like a fair scenario to you? No, of course not, but that doesnt matter, because I'm doing it for YOUR good. By me never letting you post, I remove the chance of you messing up and getting a strike at all. Isnt that better?


this is riddiculous at best. Your hypethetical analogy, while a good attempt, isn't even comparable to the subject at hand. Here's a hypothetical situation....


A child is dabbling with drugs...shares them with a friend who mistakenly/intentionally/eventually takes them home. The police are doing sting operations and want the bigger drug dealer. They track her home. They secure a warrant because they sold to that someone and watched my daughter partake in that act...her first, by the way. The police bust my door in at 0400 hours to serve that warrant. I keep firearms in my home to defend from an invasion. I'm woken with a few flash-bangs, alot of commotion and my Rotty was just shot dead. I remove the firearm from it's safe and now we have a stand-off. My daughter's arrested. I have been killed for defending my home. My wife, 9 and 7yr olds now have MP5's pointed at their bodies...what, all this for a joint? Just for some information? I've seen it. Not only did that stupid act of smoking that joint put chemicals in her body...not only did she break the law...she put her entire family at risk and it killed her father.


Is this a far-fetched scenario? nope...not where i live. As I said...it isn't worth it and my children know ^^^this scenario. To run this risk of putting the family in jeapordy is a slap in the face to everything we hold dear...the family.



Maybe, oh I dunno, dont pull a gun on the police? I dont even own a gun, nor does anyone in my house, and none of us are crying ourself to sleep fretting about what we'd do if someone ever set us up the bomb. You are too uptight, and too paranoid about EVERYTHING that you have discussed so far. You'be bought way too far into all the paranoia regarding anything remotly controversial.

As I said before, your kid doesnt have to be forced/ offered a drug/ drink to try it. I didnt drink till I almost gradded, by choice, just wasnt interested. I had opportunities in the past, but said no, and whoever offered said "ok, cool" None of that "CMON, THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING IT!"

That stereotypical peer pressure doesnt happen.

What I'm getting at is, if your kid tries a drink/ drug...it doesnt have to be their terrible terrible "friends" that forced it, or even offered it to them. They could activly seek it if they wanted. I'm willing to bet that after they move out, they will (booze at least) And dont worry so much about their lives going to hell if they do choose to drink. This guy I met at university this year, had a 4.1 GPA (we go to 4.3 I think) He studied like mad all first semester, rarely came out with his friends when we were off doing something cause he had work to do. 2nd semester, he started coming to hang out with us, and he realized something. He maintained his 4.1, and went out drinking regularly with friends. He realized he was just stressing too much about his marks, and not actually enjoying the whole university thing as he should be.
Even after that change, his GPA was still nearly double the average first year.
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but choop... it's our responsibility as an american to own guns to defend our home because everyone is out to get us and bust into our house to rape and pillage our families...


but the gun debate is another issue...
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Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Also Chewps Modding Scenrio is a perfectly viable one.

I didn't think so....
If Druid's parenting was like the modding scenario, he would never let his kids out of the house and would never talk to them about what's right and what's wrong.
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Originally posted by procarbinefreak procarbinefreak wrote:

but choop... it's our responsibility as an american to own guns to defend our home because everyone is out to get us and bust into our house to rape and pillage our families...but the gun debate is another issue...


Ah, good point. I always forget the raping and pillaging.
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This thread is dumb

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Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

This thread is dumb


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Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

This thread is dumb
It's been entertaining me for awhile.
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Originally posted by Jack Carver Jack Carver wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Also Chewps Modding Scenrio is a perfectly viable one.

I didn't think so....
If Druid's parenting was like the modding scenario, he would never let his kids out of the house and would never talk to them about what's right and what's wrong.
Just my $.02

You were not here when these events happened, unless it was under a different user name.And if you were I would like to know what account it was on.

But at the time I was refering to, most of the sticky's about the rules were here, and like now no one read them. Also the Main Entrance Page to the Forum, had a few of the bigger rules on it. It was an passive warning system, instead of the active warning system we have today(Strikes). It was assumed you knew the rules, and that you read the stickys.
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Originally posted by Apu Apu wrote:

Originally posted by druidsdecendant druidsdecendant wrote:

 

DING DING DING! Thank you druid, you just proved our point for us. All that happens for no reason correct? Well if marijuana was legal that would never happen. Duh. And I'm going to have to say after spotting several incorrect things already in that paper you posted that mine is not only more accurate, but also more trustable.

I'm sure that your high school paper is more intellectually and impiracly proven than a someone with a Phd in the field. :eyeroll: Just shut up...all you are trying to do is create inflamatory reactions. Your opinions mean crap. Stop posting until you can add something beneficial...because you have yet to exhibit some intelligent commentary...

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Yeah. I remember when KRL left. II used to lurk around for a long time before I ever posted anything.


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Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Druid,

You Sir are a Hypocrit.

It's not very often that I use that, and others on the forum willl vouch for that.

You can't honestly tell me that the Law anticipates all circumstances/situations. One of the tools used in crime fighting is "what if?" drills...that's anticipating a worst case scenario You need to stop hiding behind the law and start making decisions for yourself. I don't hide behind the law. I use it as a foundation of common decency and behavior. 

First you claim that as long as its not illegal, you will allow your kids to do it. Then you go back on your claim and say that you would not allow your kids to smoke the legal substance "Saliva". I never said I'd let them do it...NEVER. What I said was there was nothing I could do about it LEGALLY...but I did say they wouldn't be doing it in my home or while under my care.

Your type of parenting is the type that gets causes kids to go hog wild as soon as they are out of your grasp. I have seen it personally, a kid who has parents like you that don't talk to their kids and explain to them the proper drinking habits in high school are the kids that graduate, go to beachweek and are so drunk they have to be transported to the hospital because they have not learned about responsible drinking habits from their parents. You do not have to condone drinking, but you should explain to your kids the responsiblities involved with drinking so when they do go somewhere and drink (as they inevitably will) they will be responsable about it.
Wow...you completely missed an entire post. Try reading them instead of skimming over them. I do talk with my kids...apparently you missed it. Try again, you lose.
I'm sorry but if you honestly think that your kids will never try drinking or smoking while under your roof you have pulled the wool over your own eyes.
You'll never know. I know better. try again.
Also Chewps Modding Scenrio is a perfectly viable one. You have not been here long enough to know this, but a few years ago the way he explained it was almost exactly how the forum was modded. You had one chance, that was it. If you broke one significant forum rule your account was guested and most of the time you were IP Banned. If your offense was bad enough, your ISP was contacted and your internet was cut off. Guess what? We lost alot of very helpful/good forumers that slipped up once and cursed then were guested(I actually remember one instance that someone[I forget who] was guested because of a song title.) also we didn't have a language filter so if you slipped up, it showed your screwup in all of its glory. This modding style more than accurately represents your parenting style.
Well I can't comment on something that happened outside my experience on this forum. I really don't care. He has the right to disallow anyone from participating of this board. I have the right to counter with subponeas of every conversation ever enacted in this forum, and the user names, real names and email addresses...on the illicit use and widespread admission of participation of a controlled substance. This analogy has nothing to do with the 'prospect' of legalizing a narcotic...it's not even close.
After the mod who the main implementor of this policy left, the forum went downhill rapidly. There were major infractions that were not taken care of because as soon as the mod left, the forumers were turned loose with no responsiblity because it was never tought to them. Posted rules and stickies weren't read or ignored. The information was there, the user CHOSE not to read it.We are still recovering from this loss. This is what happens when an overly stong handed parent (such as yourself) cuts his children loose into society without you hovering over their shoulder telling them what to do.
that's the difference between me and other parents. I TELL them what's unacceptable and don't cower to their tirades. My children aren't the type to lash out against the parent. My children aren't the type that engage in illegal activity...or even hang around those that do. There's more to life than wasting it away in a hazed stupor and they know it because they live it...and do it well.
I think the three strikes rule is more than fair, don't you think? Nevermind, don't answer that you lack the nessicary experiance to answer that question. Would you like to see how it was? I'm sure we can arrange it so you can find out. Maybe it would cause you to think about how just your parenting style actually is. I'm not sure what you are talking about...perhaps you could spell it and phrase it properly so a normal human could understand it.
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Originally posted by Shub Shub wrote:

I can't believe the amount of personal attacks on Druid over his stance on weed. Maybe his ideas are different from yours, and hey, that's ok. Maybe you feel his methods are parenting are misguided or antiquated or whatever. ANd what if they are? That's not for this forum to decide. But we cannot judge him as a bad parent or a bad person based on what he wrote in one thread on a forum.

If his ideas work for him and his family, then that is all that matters...who are you all to tell him he's wrong?

thank you.......character limit?

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Originally posted by Druid Guy Druid Guy wrote:

High doses may result in image distortions, a loss of personal identify, fantasies and hallucinations.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Maybe, oh I dunno, dont pull a gun on the police?maybe, oh maybe don't put the family in this predicerment to begin with?  I dont even own a gun, nor does anyone in my house, and none of us are crying ourself to sleep fretting about what we'd do if someone ever set us up the bomb. You are too uptight, and too paranoid about EVERYTHING that you have discussed so far. You'be bought way too far into all the paranoia regarding anything remotly controversial.
I work in a prison. I have 3 time losers living all around me. I have 3 beautiful daughters that I will do ANYTHING to protect...with what ever force is necessary.
As I said before, your kid doesnt have to be forced/ offered a drug/ drink to try it. I didnt drink till I almost gradded, by choice, just wasnt interested. I had opportunities in the past, but said no, and whoever offered said "ok, cool" None of that "CMON, THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING IT!" well good for you (I think?)

That stereotypical peer pressure doesnt happen. It does here...perhaps not where you are but it does.

What I'm getting at is, if your kid tries a drink/ drug...it doesnt have to be their terrible terrible "friends" that forced it, or even offered it to them. They could activly seek it if they wanted. Not that they would but they wouldn't dare. I'm willing to bet that after they move out, they will (booze at least) And dont worry so much about their lives going to hell if they do choose to drink. Once they are out, they are now truly and completely responsible for their own actions. If they choose to do it, it no longer involves me or this family and if that's the life they choose, so be it. Don't call, don't write and don't ever stop by. This guy I met at university this year, had a 4.1 GPA (we go to 4.3 I think) He studied like mad all first semester, rarely came out with his friends when we were off doing something cause he had work to do. 2nd semester, he started coming to hang out with us, and he realized something. He maintained his 4.1, and went out drinking regularly with friends. He realized he was just stressing too much about his marks, and not actually enjoying the whole university thing as he should be. Even after that change, his GPA was still nearly double the average first year.

Yeah yeah...more rhettoric I'm accuse of on every page...I'l choose to ignore it just like you do mine....

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Originally posted by Jack Carver Jack Carver wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Also Chewps Modding Scenrio is a perfectly viable one.

I didn't think so....
If Druid's parenting was like the modding scenario, he would never let his kids out of the house and would never talk to them about what's right and what's wrong.
Just my $.02

exactly. Everyone here is under the assumption that I ignore my kids like their parents do them. That's not the case here.

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^You may not ignore them, but I guarantee they DO NOT relate to you NOR do they respect you in the slightest!
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I'm done posting in this thread. It's obvious that for every "pro" paper found, I can find a "con" paper. Since the scientists can't seem to get together and make a final determination as to what the true health issue is, it remains illegal. Have fun with your new found 'freedoms' until they are taken away.

I wish you all well, even those that don't really want it. I hope you are all able to reconsider the long term affects of polluting your bodies with a controlled substance because in the end...I'll end up being right. You won't see it now, nor perhaps in 5 years.

 

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