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MARIJUANA MYTHSFounding Member, HCRC 1. Marijuana causes brain damageThe most celebrated study that claims to show brain damage is the rhesus monkey study of Dr. Robert Heath, done in the late 1970s. This study was reviewed by a distinguished panel of scientists sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences. Their results were published under the title, Marijuana and Health in 1982. Heath's work was sharply criticized for its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys), its failure to control experimental bias, and the misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged". Actual studies of human populations of marijuana users have shown no evidence of brain damage. For example, two studies from 1977, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed no evidence of brain damage in heavy users of marijuana. That same year, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially came out in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That's not the sort of thing you'd expect if the AMA thought marijuana damaged the brain. 2. Marijuana damages the reproductive systemThis claim is based chiefly on the work of Dr. Gabriel Nahas, who experimented with tissue (cells) isolated in petri dishes, and the work of researchers who dosed animals with near-lethal amounts of cannabinoids (i.e., the intoxicating part of marijuana). Nahas' generalizations from his petri dishes to human beings have been rejected by the scientific community as being invalid. In the case of the animal experiments, the animals that survived their ordeal returned to normal within 30 days of the end of the experiment. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system. 3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug -- it leads to hard drugsThis is one of the more persistent myths. A real world example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be found in Holland. The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use -- heroin and cocaine -- have DECLINED substantially. If marijuana really were a gateway drug, one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not down. This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been observed in the United States. Studies done in the early 1970s showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of alcohol. A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not, found that where marijuana was more available -- the states that had decriminalized -- hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin. 4. Marijuana suppresses the immune systemLike the studies claiming to show damage to the reproductive system, this myth is based on studies where animals were given extremely high -- in many cases, near-lethal -- doses of cannabinoids. These results have never been duplicated in human beings. 5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobaccoSmoked marijuana contains about the same amount of carcinogens as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered, however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes marijuana. This is because smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs while marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. Two other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws directed against marijuana users make it difficult to smoke safely. These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic. This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the reverse is true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco. 6. Legal marijuana would cause carnage on the highwaysAlthough marijuana, when used to intoxication, does impair performance in a manner similar to alcohol, actual studies of the effect of marijuana on the automobile accident rate suggest that it poses LESS of a hazard than alcohol. When a random sample of fatal accident victims was studied, it was initially found that marijuana was associated with RELATIVELY as many accidents as alcohol. In other words, the number of accident victims intoxicated on marijuana relative to the number of marijuana users in society gave a ratio similar to that for accident victims intoxicated on alcohol relative to the total number of alcohol users. However, a closer examination of the victims revealed that around 85% of the people intoxicated on marijuana WERE ALSO INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL. For people only intoxicated on marijuana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other research using completely different methods. For example, an economic analysis of the effects of decriminalization on marijuana usage found that states that had reduced penalties for marijuana possession experienced a rise in marijuana use and a decline in alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased. This would suggest that, far from causing "carnage", legal marijuana might actually save lives. 7. Marijuana "flattens" human brainwavesThis is an out-and-out lie perpetrated by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America. A few years ago, they ran a TV ad that purported to show, first, a normal human brainwave, and second, a flat brainwave from a 14-year-old "on marijuana". When researchers called up the TV networks to complain about this commercial, the Partnership had to pull it from the air. It seems that the Partnership faked the flat "marijuana brainwave". In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly INCREASING alpha wave activity. Alpha waves are associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity. 8. Marijuana is more potent today than in the pastThis myth is the result of bad data. The researchers who made the claim of increased potency used as their baseline the THC content of marijuana seized by police in the early 1970s. Poor storage of this marijuana in un-air conditioned evidence rooms caused it to deteriorate and decline in potency before any chemical assay was performed. Contemporaneous, independent assays of unseized "street" marijuana from the early 1970s showed a potency equivalent to that of modern "street" marijuana. Actually, the most potent form of this drug that was generally available was sold legally in the 1920s and 1930s by the pharmaceutical company Smith-Klein under the name, "American Cannabis". 9. Marijuana impairs short-term memoryThis is true but misleading. Any impairment of short-term memory disappears when one is no longer under the influence of marijuana. Often, the short-term memory effect is paired with a reference to Dr. Heath's poor rhesus monkeys to imply that the condition is permanent. 10. Marijuana lingers in the body like DDTThis is also true but misleading. Cannabinoids are fat soluble as are innumerable nutrients and, yes, some poisons like DDT. For example, the essential nutrient, Vitamin A, is fat soluble but one never hears people who favor marijuana prohibition making this comparison. 11. There are over a thousand chemicals in marijuana smokeAgain, true but misleading. The 31 August 1990 issue of the magazine Science notes that of the over 800 volatile chemicals present in roasted COFFEE, only 21 have actually been tested on animals and 16 of these cause cancer in rodents. Yet, coffee remains legal and is generally considered fairly safe. 12. No one has ever died of a marijuana overdoseThis is true. It was put in to see if you are paying attention. Animal tests have revealed that extremely high doses of cannabinoids are needed to have lethal effect. This has led scientists to conclude that the ratio of the amount of cannabinoids necessary to get a person intoxicated (i.e., stoned) relative to the amount necessary to kill them is 1 to 40,000. In other words, to overdose, you would have to consume 40,000 times as much marijuana as you needed to get stoned. In contrast, the ratio for alcohol varies between 1 to 4 and 1 to 10. It is easy to see how upwards of 5000 people die from alcohol overdoses every year and no one EVER dies of marijuana overdoses. WHAT IS THE HCRC?The Hoosier Cannabis Relegalization Coalition (HCRC) is a non profit organization involved in public education efforts directed toward reforming drug policy. Specifically, we support the relegalization of cannabis for use as medicine, industrial product, and recreational drug. The HCRC also advocates an to end urine and hair testing of workers by private industry. These kinds of tests violate worker privacy to no good purpose because they detect past use of certain drugs (mostly marijuana) while ignoring others (e.g., LSD) and cannot detect current impairment. In situations where public and worker safety is a legitimate concern, we advocate impairment testing devices which reliably detect degradation of performance without infringing upon worker privacy. For more information about the activities of the HCRC write us at HCRC, PO Box 1103, Bloomington, IN, 47402 or e-mail to hagerp@cs.indiana.edu on the internet. SOURCES1) Marijuana and Health, Institute of Medicine, National Academy |
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Snake6
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 8:15am |
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Druid,
You Sir are a Hypocrit. It's not very often that I use that, and others on the forum willl vouch for that. You can't honestly tell me that the Law anticipates all circumstances/situations. You need to stop hiding behind the law and start making desicions for yourself. First you claim that as long as its not illegal, you will allow your kids to do it. Then you go back on your claim and say that you would not allow your kids to smoke the legal substance "Saliva". Your type of parenting is the type that gets causes kids to go hog wild as soon as they are out of your grasp. I have seen it personally, a kid who has parents like you that don't talk to their kids and explain to them the proper drinking habits in highschool are the kids that graduate, go to beachweek and are so drunk they have to be transported to the hospital because they have not learned about responsible drinking habits from their parents. You do not have to condone drinking, but you should explain to your kids the responsiblities involved with drinking so when they do go somewhere and drink (as they inevitably will) they will be responsable about it. I'm sorry but if you honestly think that your kids will never try drinking or smoking while under your roof you have pulled the wool over your own eyes. Also Chewps Modding Scenrio is a perfectly viable one. You have not been here long enough to know this, but a few years ago the way he explained it was almost exactly how the forum was modded. You had one chance, that was it. If you broke one significant forum rule your account was guested and most of the time you were IP Banned. If your offense was bad enough, your ISP was contacted and your internet was cut off. Guess what? We lost alot of very helpful/good forumers that slipped up once and cursed then were guested(I actually remember one instance that someone[I forget who] was guested because of a song title.) also we didn't have a language filter so if you slipped up, it showed your screwup in all of its glory. This modding style more than accurately represents your parenting style. After the mod who the main implementor of this policy left, the forum went downhill rapidly. There were major infractions that were not taken care of because as soon as the mod left, the forumers were turned loose with no responsiblity because it was never tought to them. We are still recovering from this loss. This is what happens when an overly stong handed parent (such as yourself) cuts his children loose into society without you hovering over their shoulder telling them what to do. I think the three strikes rule is more than fair, don't you think? Nevermind, don't answer that you lack the nessicary experiance to answer that question. Would you like to see how it was? I'm sure we can arrange it so you can find out. Maybe it would cause you to think about how just your parenting style actually is. Edited by Snake6 - 17 May 2006 at 8:25am |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 8:43am |
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I can't believe the amount of personal attacks on Druid over his stance on weed. Maybe his ideas are different from yours, and hey, that's ok. Maybe you feel his methods are parenting are misguided or antiquated or whatever. ANd what if they are? That's not for this forum to decide. But we cannot judge him as a bad parent or a bad person based on what he wrote in one thread on a forum.
If his ideas work for him and his family, then that is all that matters...who are you all to tell him he's wrong? |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 11:53am |
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Maybe, oh I dunno, dont pull a gun on the police? I dont even own a gun, nor does anyone in my house, and none of us are crying ourself to sleep fretting about what we'd do if someone ever set us up the bomb. You are too uptight, and too paranoid about EVERYTHING that you have discussed so far. You'be bought way too far into all the paranoia regarding anything remotly controversial. As I said before, your kid doesnt have to be forced/ offered a drug/ drink to try it. I didnt drink till I almost gradded, by choice, just wasnt interested. I had opportunities in the past, but said no, and whoever offered said "ok, cool" None of that "CMON, THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING IT!" That stereotypical peer pressure doesnt happen. What I'm getting at is, if your kid tries a drink/ drug...it doesnt have to be their terrible terrible "friends" that forced it, or even offered it to them. They could activly seek it if they wanted. I'm willing to bet that after they move out, they will (booze at least) And dont worry so much about their lives going to hell if they do choose to drink. This guy I met at university this year, had a 4.1 GPA (we go to 4.3 I think) He studied like mad all first semester, rarely came out with his friends when we were off doing something cause he had work to do. 2nd semester, he started coming to hang out with us, and he realized something. He maintained his 4.1, and went out drinking regularly with friends. He realized he was just stressing too much about his marks, and not actually enjoying the whole university thing as he should be. Even after that change, his GPA was still nearly double the average first year. |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:11pm |
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but choop... it's our responsibility as an american to own guns to defend our home because everyone is out to get us and bust into our house to rape and pillage our families...
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:14pm |
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I didn't think so.... If Druid's parenting was like the modding scenario, he would never let his kids out of the house and would never talk to them about what's right and what's wrong. Just my $.02 |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:14pm |
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Ah, good point. I always forget the raping and pillaging. |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:17pm |
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This thread is dumb
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:51pm |
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So's your face |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:58pm |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:17pm |
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You were not here when these events happened, unless it was under a different user name.And if you were I would like to know what account it was on. But at the time I was refering to, most of the sticky's about the rules were here, and like now no one read them. Also the Main Entrance Page to the Forum, had a few of the bigger rules on it. It was an passive warning system, instead of the active warning system we have today(Strikes). It was assumed you knew the rules, and that you read the stickys. |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:18pm |
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I'm sure that your high school paper is more intellectually and impiracly proven than a someone with a Phd in the field. :eyeroll: Just shut up...all you are trying to do is create inflamatory reactions. Your opinions mean crap. Stop posting until you can add something beneficial...because you have yet to exhibit some intelligent commentary... |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:22pm |
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Yeah. I remember when KRL left. II used to lurk around for a long time before I ever posted anything.
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:38pm |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:39pm |
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thank you.......character limit? |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:47pm |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:48pm |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:49pm |
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exactly. Everyone here is under the assumption that I ignore my kids like their parents do them. That's not the case here. |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:54pm |
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^You may not ignore them, but I guarantee they DO NOT relate to you NOR do they respect you in the slightest!
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:01pm |
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I'm done posting in this thread. It's obvious that for every "pro" paper found, I can find a "con" paper. Since the scientists can't seem to get together and make a final determination as to what the true health issue is, it remains illegal. Have fun with your new found 'freedoms' until they are taken away. I wish you all well, even those that don't really want it. I hope you are all able to reconsider the long term affects of polluting your bodies with a controlled substance because in the end...I'll end up being right. You won't see it now, nor perhaps in 5 years.
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