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Zesty
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:01pm |
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Let me ask you this Druid, since you seem so hard-headed and misguided I won't waste my time eslewhere......you say you have kids, correct? Do you love them? I assume so.
My simple question to you is, isn't your love for them, stronger than your hate for drug-users? I mean, I would hope that no matter what they did, you would still love your child and want the best for them! I would hope that you would never give up hope on them, and turn your back on someone you loved! Who had done nothing to you, other than experiment and fulfill a desire, and instinct that exists in every human's body? I think you are a pathetic man, and one not worthy of a loving family, to be brutally honest with you. You are so shallow, that it truly disgusts me, and I feel sorry for your children, your family, and anybody that is unfortunate enough to come across you and your narrow mind, and dull wit. I'm not surprised to find out your are a LEO. Please do me a favor and come to California and try to act like a hardass with me, because I will show you what a rude awakening really is. |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:04pm |
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That is not due to the drug itself completely. There are many factors that lead to relapses after recieving PROPER treatment for addiction(again, marijuana is not addicting physically, only mentally, in the same way that sex, gambling, bowling, etc are), for instance returning to the same environment, same types of people, being pressured into it again(and like chewp said, this isnt a very effective mean of getting someone to do drugs). In most cases, however, the legal system fails to give propper treatment for people who are arrested and addicted to drugs(again, which doesnt include marijuana, because it is not addictive). This comes from simply imprisoning them, probation, fines, whatever the punishment may be.
Agreed, but negligence is also bad parenting. You neglect your child after you find out that they made a mistake, and it is wrong. You say there are these moral implications with the use of weed or salvia, yet you see nothing wrong with kicking out your own child on to the streets, or better yet, into the company of the people they may have tried it with? You say those people are bad, but it seems you would rather send her to them than face the ugly side of parenting. Here is what is happening to your children. They are becoming conditioned to only fear what you would do to them if they were caught. They fear that the one person that can fulfill the role of a male influence of their life will kick them to the curb and leave them with very little, and rightfully so, because that is what will happen. They act good, do well in school, and all in all they are your little princesses. They may say the know the moral implications with using weed, and they might say they dont do it because they dont want to, and they may believe that is the reason they dont, but I would be willing to bet quite a bit that subcosciously your punishments are what prevents them from doing something, and negative conditioning such as that has been proven innefective and inferior to other types. But, I can almost guarantee you that when they are allowed to go out on their own, be it college or not, there will be no more threat of losing that father figure, and the thought of losing everything(this time non-materealistic) is pushed into the back of their mind, and they will let loose in some form or another, whether it be drugs, alcohol, porn, illegal immigrant smuggling, whatever.
Alcohol also alters one's mind, but you dont mind that as long as they are of age. You
have just said that it is the parents duty to provide the safety their
children need if the children put their safety into danger themselves,
but you also say you will kick out your daughters if they are caught.
You just proved to everyone you are using bad parenting methods
yourself.
I agree, there is no debating what is legal and what isnt, but it is possible to debate what should be legal, and what shouldnt, as many people have done before us. And no, I wouldnt, because most other laws are in place to protect people from things that can do a substantial amount of harm. However, I would have a hard time condemning someone for stealing food to keep their family alive if they needed to. And again, im am not close minded,
because if I were, I would not have already weighed my options and read
everything I have. I dont think ecstasy should be legalized, because it
is extremely harmful and provides very few benefits worth noting even
while on the drug. The same goes for heroine, crack, and all other hard
drugs. You are closed minded because no matter what you choose to group
a helpful drug with the rest that do nothing but harm.
What gives you the right to determine what is 'right'? You provided no argument there, did nothing to help your cause, and only furthered my points.
So, we shouldnt 'waste' tax dollars
on this, but the funding of creating a drug from scratch, which costs
more to produce and test, and takes on average 15 years to complete
before the government can test it or set regulations is not considered
'wasting'. Good to know.
By that toek, we should still be allowed to have slaves, black people shoul not be able to vote, women should not be able to vote, black people would count as 3/5ths of a person, Jim Crow would still have all of his laws, 18 would not be the legal voting age, presidents would not have a limit to the number of terms they could hold office, and many other things should be the same they were when the constitution was written? There is a nation of people who will
disagree with you on that point, seeing as how there is something in
the bill of rights that helps out everyone in some small way. It has also been argued as to why it
should be legalized, just read the entire thread, and also read the
post debunking the myths of MJ, and realize that weed does not leed to
hard drugs. Daniel Ertel-Moore That is my god honest adress, so ome
arrest me on the grounds that I think weed should be legalized, which I
do. This is one of the few times that freedom of speech is being
applied the way the authors of the constitution meant, and I will be
more than happy to recite the first ammendment, word for word, and pick
it apart for you so that you realize you can not arrest me for
supporting something like that.
Why not? It is a viable argument, and I am only trying to point out the uselessness of the "my opinions" argument at the instance in the debate.
I never said you were stupid, I said what you said was stupid, and it was. It is funnier, though, how someone
retreats in their shell and protects themselves by thinking they are
being attacked at times they are not. |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:06pm |
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This thread isnt even about drugs to me, since I've never done drugs. Yes, Ive drank, but thats it.
to me, this is all about your parenting, and how strict you are. I find it absolutly absurd, if not idiotic that if your kid has a beer with friends after finishing their finals in their first year of university, that you wont let them back into your house. How does that make sense? |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:06pm |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:08pm |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:13pm |
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:14pm |
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Gatyr
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:21pm |
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Im gonna try to sweetheart.
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:23pm |
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Start running if you cant drive.
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Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:36pm |
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