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Wow, its like 2,000 pages long. "Can you condense that into 1 or 2 pages?"
- "1 or 2 pages?"
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I'm pretty sure that kind of stuff comes out for EVERY president in history. Nothing new, especially for this president. So lets get over it and stop encouraging the people who write it all.

 

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Originally posted by tecumseh tecumseh wrote:

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Bush isn't a good president.

may not be a good  president and may not make good choices but he makes the right and correct ones

 

Right and correct.... Thats a Bushism isn't it

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^^^^^^ hahahahahahahahah

He led us into Iraq for no reason at all.
He has done NOTHING about the Katrina Hurricane relief.
We are STILL looking for Bin Laden. (He left it to the untrained Afganistan
soldiers to capture him while we invaded Iraq)
The nation is in debt more now than we can fathom.
Need I say more?
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At least he knows how to Par-tay.
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Gonna make this short.. class in a bit:

2 Presidents have had approval ratings uner 40% for a longer time... Nixon for I believe 13 months, and Truman for 36.

Bush has only had it for 9.

I dont care if you dont like him as a President, but you cant deny that he has stck with his decisions for better or worse.. and thats a good quality.

Hell...

Originally posted by Eject Eject wrote:

The war is an abject and utter failure. What everyone thought would be a quick, decisive victory has turned into an embarrassing series of reversals. The enemy, -- a ragtag, badly-fed collection of hotheads and fanatics – has failed to be shocked and awed by the most magnificent military machine ever fielded. Their dogged resistance has shown us the futility of the idea that a nation of millions could ever be subjugated and administered, no matter what obscene price we are willing to pay in blood and money.

The President of the United States is a buffoon, an idiot, a man barely able to speak the English language. His vice president is a little-seen, widely despised enigma and his chief military advisor a wild-eyed warmonger. Only his Secretary of State offers any hope of redemption, for he at least is a reasonable, well-educated man, a man most thought would have made a far, far better choice for Chief Executive.

We must face the fact that we had no business forcing this unjust war on a people who simply want to be left alone. It has damaged our international relationships beyond any measure, and has proven to be illegal, immoral and nothing less than a monumental mistake that will take generations to rectify. We can never hope to subdue and remake an entire nation of millions. All we will do is alienate them further. So we must bring this war to an immediate end, and make a solemn promise to history that we will never launch another war of aggression and preemption again, so help us God.



This was the condensed opinion of the Copperhead press. The time was the summer of 1864.

Everyone thought the Rebels would be whipped at Bull Run, and that the Confederacy would collapse within a few days or hours of such a defeat. No one expected the common Southern man to fight so tenaciously, a man who owned no slaves and who in fact despised the rich fire-eaters who had taken them to war.

Lincoln was widely considered a bumpkin, a gorilla, an uncouth backwoods hick who by some miracle of political compromise had made it to the White House. Secretary of War Stanton had assumed near-dictatorial powers and was also roundly despised. Only Secretary of State William Seward, a well-spoken, intelligent Easterner and a former Presidential candidate, seemed fit to hold office.

After three interminable and unbelievably bloody years of conflict, many in the Northern press had long ago become convinced that there was no hope of winning the war, and far less of winning the peace that followed. After nearly forty months of battle and maneuver, after seeing endless hopes dashed in spectacular failure, after watching the magnificent Army of the Potomac again and again whipped and humiliated by a far smaller, under-fed, under-equipped force, the New York newspapers and many, many others were calling for an immediate end to this parade of failures.

It took them forty months and hundreds of thousands killed to reach that point. Today, many news outlets have reached a similar conclusion after ten days and less than fifty combat fatalities.

Ahhh. Progress.




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How dare they criticize our fearless leader?! His job title alone makes him ineligible for that kind of BS!! He is our Commander and Cheif damn it! God, liberal-commie-nazi-terrorist bastards....You're going to hell.

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I actually think Lincoln was a bad president and that the south probably would have come crawling back sooner or later. Pointing out Lincoln's screw ups doesn't make Bush sound any better. The only good thing I can think of that Lincoln did was the emancipation proclaimation. Apparently that one thing makes up for everything bad he ever did. I guess if Bush gets his immigration reform through he should have the same kind of reverance in history for securing a minority vote.

As for worst President ever? My personal worst is probably warren harding.

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That the south would come crawling back is pretty huge conjecture...They were litterally one battle away from having some rather important European allies and they probably wouldn't have needed the rest of the union had they actually secured their independence. That being said, I definately think keeping the union together was a good thing, rather the war was or not.

As far as Bush goes....I'm not sure. I think there were probably "worse presidents" but we got unlucky to have someone of his(and his administration's) level of inadequacy at this period of time. If not for 9/11 and Katrina and whatnot, he wouldn't have had as much important stuff to deal with and would have had a lot less to screw up. I hate his domestic policy too, but a lot of that stems from the events of the last 6 years. I guess what I'm saying is that he's kinda the wrong president at the wrong time.....

I don't focus as much on him though, I think the real problem is his party and the rest of his administration....


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Ryan, if the South had indeed got European allies, Slavery was already a dead system in Europe. They would have been pressured out of it in short order. that and when Lincoln eventually left office would probably have paved the way for reunification. The fact that slavery still existed in the south was probably one reason they didn't get more foreign support.

I agree that keeping the Union together was probably a good thing, but look what it cost. 600,000 american combat casulties, and incredibly high civilian casulties. not to mention the lasting effects of the war. The South is still recovering from that.

If the CSA had secured it's independance you could bet its current situation would look a lot like Mexico.

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Youth is amazing, they take in whatever the media tells them and have no true opinion other than what they are told to recite by the media.

Lets see, economy is doing great...anyone here remmember Jimmy Carter..14% inflation rate, 22% home loans, oil prices through the roof, failed military actions (Iran Hostage Desert 1...remmember), no inquiry, no anal exam by media, etc

The War....Anyone remmember Lyndon Johnson 1964, "We will not send American Boys to do what the Vietnamese should do for themselves" and then deployes the greatest numbers of Americans into theater than JFK before him, or Richard Nixon after him. Again no inquiry on failed policies in VN, no real media darts,

History is an unusual science, no one cares to, or wants to acknowledge that there were times before thier pitifull exsistance that people had it worse, but now only care to see the small picture of thier political bias.

Clinton failed in Haiti, Somalia, and other meals on wheels programs he used the military for, 18 died one day and night in Mogadishu, and not even one inquiry on why the proper equipment requested by the command months before was refused by the White House for it did not fit the mission as Clinton and crew saw it.

SO no matter how many darts are thrown at Bush, the next por bastard in the White House will have approximatly 47% of america again throwing darts of political bias, and the game will continue.

But only when a Republican is in the White House are the really LARGE darts thrown, at the same mistakes and problems Democrats have had in the past, and will suffer in the future.

There are those that say the FDR intentionally got us into the War with Japan and Germany to help his economic recovery plan, and it is known by documentation now that FDR knew the Japanese were moving Nov 27th, and nothing was done to warn the Pacific Commands. He and Sec Hull thought the Phillipeans were the target, no Pearl, but oh well.
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For every one but tehcumseh, Mbro, and OS.

Forum:





YOUR ON NOTICE!


we dont need any of your radical paintball bear loveing agenda's polluting this wonderfull countries goverment, If your going to critisize this nations president; You may as well move to 1940's germany, You nazi's. Our president is infallable, and a true patriot knows that.



Which leads me to the word:





SUCK IT.






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yeah ryan its president Bushs falt that your crazy liberal friends in california are teaching 5 year olds to put on condoms and the liberal openly **edited** priest of the chathlic church are trying to change Gods teachings. heck Adjectives use to describe people are now banned from text books we can no longer have "the founding fathers" it's "the framers" they where not carpenders. ryan tell me something what is older then the ten commandments that you have to base our laws on?
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Strato, it's impossible to take you seriously when you refer to Bush as "our commander in chief." I just laugh.
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Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

yeah ryan its president Bushs falt that your crazy liberal friends in california are teaching 5 year olds to put on condoms and the liberal openly **edited** priest of the chathlic church are trying to change Gods teachings. heck Adjectives use to describe people are now banned from text books we can no longer have "the founding fathers" it's "the framers" they where not carpenders. ryan tell me something what is older then the ten commandments that you have to base our laws on?


Shut your mouth. My God has a bigger **edited** than your God.

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OS: I personally find it insulting that you don't think we are intelligent enough to form our own opinions, but are simply sheep following what the media says...But ya know, I have conflicting opinions to yours so they must be incorrect and simply planted in my head by an evil anti-American liberal-biased media....I'm seriously starting to have trouble even respecting you anymore...

Cadet: I gave you more credit than that. It's that kind of egocentric, ethnocentric, idiotic, superstitious, hatefilled crap that is destroying this country. You're as bad as the extremists we're fighting in the middle east, you're just less motivated. The ten commandments in your prescious bible were based off of law codes from prior cultures anyway, but who said anything about that wacko religious-right crap anyway? I shouldn't even have responded to this....Oh and OS, if you're looking for sheep, people like this are them. Hoodwinked by "moral" issues and blinded by "faith" and hate so they don't care about the other important things that are actually screwing this nation over. This kind of idiot bullcrap is why Bush won in '04 and this kind of bullcrap is what is destroying this country and this freakin world. Wake up, pull your head out of the Bible and think for yourself for a change.


Edit: Red, on the civil war, I'm not sure but think it was Antietam, anyway, if the Union had lost this one battle, the English were going to get into the war. They litterally said that if the Union took one more defeat, they would side with the Confederacy. The slavery thing was what made them, and France, hesitate but they were more than ready too look over that for the cotton crops in Georgia. As far as if they had won their independence, I don't think they would join back with us. I mean, hell, some southerners still see themselves as Confederates now, I really doubt they could have swallowed their pride and come crawling back. I sorta agree with the Mexico thing, maybe a little better, but there would be huge geo-political ramifications if there would be two major nations where we are now, especially in the circumstances that these would entail. Have you ever heard of Harry Turtledove? He wrote some historical fiction with this theme. He went beyond the Civil War into WWI and had the North and South on separate sides, with harsh results. I could see something similar happening, which would suck.


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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

but you cant deny that he has stck with his decisions for better or worse.. and thats a good quality.


I just feel the need to point this out. I couldnt care less about who thinks what about the president right now, but the fact that you think sticking with bad descisions is an aimiable trait is rediculous.

"Hey, he's cutting off her foot! its okay though, he is going through with it even though he knows it is wrong. "
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This thread delivers, Stealth I lol'd

 

 

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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

+1 respect for .Ryan

Seriously.  Very nice post.

On Bush - I'm no fan, but we certainly have had worse presidents, IMO.  Bush has done several things well - I thought he handled 9/11 and Afghanistan well, at least initially.  I think he is headed in the right direction on immigration; at least he has a realistic view of the situation.  While I didn't like his proposal, I applaud him for trying to do something about social security.

In general, I respect him for being a president that isn't afraid to "do".  For better or worse, Bush is not sitting still.  Clinton, in comparison, was much more of a "caretaker" president, IMO.  Didn't rock the boat.

On the other hand, there are many things that I disagree with.  Bush's pandering to the religious right is annoying and embarassing.  His economic policies are WAY too leftish and restrictive, except when they are irrationally irresponsibe.  His tax cuts, for instance, were just a bad/irresponsible idea.  His steel tariffs were an even worse idea, and were handled badly to boot.  At least he doesn't appear to be supporting Congress' goofy "windfall tax" plan for oil companies. 

His foreign policy "image" has seriously hurt the US standing in the international community, with no apparent payoff that I can see.  Regardless of whether we should have gone into Iraq (a tough call, I think), the actual military action was mismanaged. 

His consolidation of power to the executive branch is downright scary, and his view on the constitution even scarier.

Worst president?  I don't think so.  But certainly not my favorite.

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Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

but you cant deny that he has stck with his decisions for better or worse.. and thats a good quality.



I just feel the need to point this out. I couldnt care less about who
thinks what about the president right now, but the fact that you think
sticking with bad descisions is an aimiable trait is rediculous.

Ok.. I thought you were dumb in our PM discussion.. but this takes the cake.

I never once said that I think it’s good that someone sticks with bad decisions. I said it’s good that he sticks to his decisions for better or worse. Better or worse = Popular or not... not as in a good choice or not.

Look at Kerry.. he gets any criticism on any of his decisions and he turns it around.

“I was for the war before I was against it”... yea.. he doesnt flip flop.


Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

God, liberal-commie-nazi-terrorist bastards....You're going to hell.


You forgot “Pinko” and “Baby killing”




Rednekk:
The reason I put in that thing about Lincoln is this: At the time, and even in the decades following his presidency, he wasnt liked. But a century and a half down the road, people finally realize that what he did was good, even if it wasnt popular at the time he did it.. hence why I said “Ahhh. Progress.”



Many people fail to see the bad things Clinton did. He downsized our military, argueabily making it easier for us to get attacked.

He lied under oath. Over something so mundane. Seriously. LIED. And people call him a good president.

I dont agree with people that call Clinton OR JFK good... because all they were were charisimatic. They knew how to work the crowed in their favor.


Originally posted by Hella Cool Hella Cool wrote:

Strato, it's impossible to take you seriously when you refer to Bush as "our commander in chief." I just laugh.
Umm.. he kind of IS the Commander in Chief of the US... Civilian control of the military buddy.


Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

But ya know, I have conflicting opinions to yours so they must be incorrect
I took so much flamage from people ont he forum for not considering the passenger on flight 93 hero’s. My opinion. Yet they percieve it as incorrect.
Off topic.. I know.. but I just had to put that in there. It wasnt directed toward you.


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