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Well then, you're welcome :P

Let me know how the vortex works, that and a LPK are pretty much the only two upgrades for me to consider :D
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I wouldn't give up my super r/t for nothing...it's one of the fastest guns on the field where i play, and everybodys got e-grips...just had to put the vortex in today bc iv'e already tore through 2 ratchets in 2 months..but I'll let ya know how the vortex turns out when i play next weekend.

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I did mention the ROF of the super r/t in my original post.  Also, I've never used the vortex mod though I plan to get one.  I don't have an R/T anymore so I can't help you out with the vortex, though I'm sure it's more standalone performance and really doesn't matter if you're using an rt or not.

Also, I'm sure I've mentioned it, but the position of the velocity screw greatly determines how the RT will perform.  In my case, I pretty much had to quickly re-tune it every time I chronographed my gun.  Keep in mind that screw determines the amount of blowback.

PS, whoever is using macro with co2, go out and get a steel braided line.


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well i play woodsball and i wouldn't say it's useless.  i think it's a pretty good mod as long as when you use it, it doesn't blend.  but i wouldn't get that mod for me.
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No progress with me.  I've tried it again and nothing
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Sorry, nothing new. I didn't fill up any tanks lately since we have not played lately. I will post when I do test the new set up out. Maybe late this week. Any progress with you?
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Advantage,

Been a while since i've heard anything, did you get your super rt to work then?

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Sooooooooooo you think you can hit the insanely rate of fire with the aquarium tank line??  Is that what you are driving at?  Hopefully yes when I get more CO2. And the line from home depot was to large of an inside diameter? Yes it seems so. The aquarium line is the same diameter of the line in the kit. The one that I said is a little larger than 1/8" diameter but too short(T bango to flow adjuster) I think i'm getting this right.  I just did the "q-tip" mod to mine, love it.  If you've never done it you should give it a try.  It basically stops the trigger right where the sweet spot is so that you don't need to try and hold it there.  It takes alot of fine tunning.  Also did something else.  I took a piece of a "sippy straw" and put it around one of the sear pins, which seems to have made the sweet spot bigger and easier to hit.  I don't have the insane rate of fire i would with the super rt but now that i have this set up i'm thinking of giving it another try tomorrow, since it's very easy to hit the sweet spot now.  Only thing is i'm going to have to use the .170 tubing, so we'll see how it goes.  If you are interested in those mods i mentioned i can point you in the direction as to where they are.  I'm not sure if they are listed on this forum. I'm sure I've come across those mods somewhere (sippy straw definately)but right now I want get this ironed out. Maybe in the future.   

Just remembered this.  When i was messing with the super rt mod at first i did reach a super fast rate of fire a couple of times.  It was when my CO2 was about empty, so that may have been what happened to you.  Did you notice if your cyclone was cycling at all?  If you were low on air it probably wasn't  My cyclone goes until 2 shots before the tank burps out.

I went back and looked at my post where I first hooked everything up. Although I didn't mention this then I just remembered that at first I used the hose from the kit that was too short. I placed it on the tips of the barbs to test the setup out before I used the .170" tubing. Mainly, at that point, I just wanted to see if the QEV was working. While every once in a while the tubing would leak or fall off the barbs, I think that is when I was having the good results that gave me my "false hope". You see, now that I think about it I didn't start having troubles until I used the .170" tubing. I figured as long as I got that tubing to go on the barbs tight all would be good. So compare your tubing that you got at Lowes to the tubing from the kit. It is probably a bit bigger. If you still have the tube from the kit try placing it on the tips of the barbs to test it. Good Luck.     



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Sooooooooooo you think you can hit the insanely rate of fire with the aquarium tank line??  Is that what you are driving at?  And the line from home depot was to large of an inside diameter?  I think i'm getting this right.  I just did the "q-tip" mod to mine, love it.  If you've never done it you should give it a try.  It basically stops the trigger right where the sweet spot is so that you don't need to try and hold it there.  It takes alot of fine tunning.  Also did something else.  I took a piece of a "sippy straw" and put it around one of the sear pins, which seems to have made the sweet spot bigger and easier to hit.  I don't have the insane rate of fire i would with the super rt but now that i have this set up i'm thinking of giving it another try tomorrow, since it's very easy to hit the sweet spot now.  Only thing is i'm going to have to use the .170 tubing, so we'll see how it goes.  If you are interested in those mods i mentioned i can point you in the direction as to where they are.  I'm not sure if they are listed on this forum. 

Just remembered this.  When i was messing with the super rt mod at first i did reach a super fast rate of fire a couple of times.  It was when my CO2 was about empty, so that may have been what happened to you.  Did you notice if your cyclone was cycling at all?  If you were low on air it probably wasn't



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After I wrote my last post I tuned the same setup I had and was able to get an ungodly rate of fire for a second. I would have to pull the trigger something like 30 times before I could get the response to kick in again. It basically worked when it wanted to but when it did kick in it was insanely fast for a second.

This is using the .170" (I got at Home Depot) between T banjo and flow adjuster, and using the actual 1/8" tubing from Palmers between T banjo and the QEV. I've ruled out the adjustable feature on the QEV as a problem through trying all the different adjustments.

So later I was messing with the Protein Skimmer on our fish tank. I was adding air to the skimmer using the left over air tubing that we had from the aquariums air system. Somehow I forgot to check to see if this line would work even though you mentioned it in a past post. I compared it to the line I got at Home Depot and it was smaller in diameter but a little larger than the outside diameter of the original R/T lines. By the way, I've been using the outside diameter of the original lines as a key to tell if the inside diameter of any other line is 1/8".  The original Tippmann r/t lines fit snug into the Palmers line but in the aquarium lines it had a small gap. (I'm not sure if any of this makes sense to you)

So I put the aquarium line on and I was able to get the r/t to kick in like i had with the 1/16" setup. The "sweet spot" was easy to hit yet I wasn't able to tune in that insane rate of fire before I ran out of CO2. I will experiment more when I get my tanks filled again. So if you are using that .170" tubing it probably is too big.    



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Sounds like you're having the same luck i had.  I've taken mine off and i'm working on a "q-tip" mod right now, i think i have it about right.  Might do another mod.  Well if you get it working let us know, i'll be interested in what you find. 
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Well it turns out the few quick bursts I got when I first hooked it up gave me some false hope. Three full 20 oz CO2 tanks later I have only been able to get short bursts that are slower than the 1/16" fittings. The sweet spot is hard to hold. I went to the paintball shop a couple days ago and all they had was 1/8" rigid tubing. I tried to install that but I wasn't able to get it on the barbs. Yesterday I went to Lowes and I think I found the tubing you suggested (12 cents a foot). It is the same stuff I bought at Home Depot (.170 inside diameter) I played yesterday in 21 degrees with windchill of -10 degrees. I wasn't as concerned with the r/t fittings due to the fact that my gloves barely fit in the trigger guard. I will mess around with the tubes that I have but it looks like I'm going to have to order 1/8" tubing over the internet. Good luck. Oh yeah, Palmers QEV is what I have



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So that tubing that i suggested didn't work?  I think was working for me, i seemed to have a good fit.  I would almost be willing to bet that the hole inside the T-bango would make a difference.  I thought of that earlier but never entertained the the thought then.  I may have to look.  I don't have a QEV anymore but possibly it will still be faster if i try everything again.  Which QEV did you get?  Let us know how it works out then. 

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I got my QEV today and installed everything. I stopped at Home Depot and picked up tubing that I found in the plumbing dept. It is larger than 1/8" (.170) and as I found out later not meant to handle much pressure. I put it on, to test out, and I have no leaks. I'm going to see if I can find tubing at a paintball shop tommorow. Using the left over CO2 in my tanks I dry fired and it seems everything is working great. Keep in mind no balls fired yet...but cyclone is working, QEV is venting, and from the little left over CO2 I had I was able to get a r/t rate faster than what I had before (for a few quick bursts). I need more CO2 to see if it was worth it though.

I have no idea if this would make a difference or not but on your T bango is the hole inside the valve lined up with both the hose to the MEV and the hose to the flow adjuster valve?

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I didn't get my kit from there, i wanted it right away so i bought it from the local pb dealer here.  But i think it's the same kit you got, made for a 98 to add a response trigger.  Let me know how you make out, i'm curious if you can get your's to work like i couldn't
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Thanks USNCV63,

After looking at it more, the hose from the T banjo to the fitting in the cyclone is actually the 1/8" id hose. So the hose from the T banjo to the Flow control valve is actually larger than 1/8". Are you using the kit from Tippmannparts.com?

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I had some of the same problems, i went to Lowe's and got hose line there that worked.  12 cents for a foot.  I'd bet almost any place like a Lowe's or Home Depot would carry that size hose, or a place that sells fish tanks possibly. 

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I just received the r/t upgrade kit from tippmannparts.com and I've got a few issues with it.

 First off, the hose going from the Flow Control Valve to the T-banjo is too short. It is 2 3/4 inches long. It is a kit made for a 98 so maybe their gap is shorter. According to the site it works for the A5.

 Second, the hose from the T banjo to the future QEV has a smaller inside diameter than the other one yet larger than the 1/16". Also it comes with "orafice tube" to insert within that tube that would shrink that space to a 1/16" diameter.

Third, On the Flow Control Valve while the input where the hose is attached is 1/8", The output that goes into the grip is the same as the original fitting (1/16"). On the T banjo the input is 1/8" and on the supplied banjo fitting for the cyclone (to be replaced with the QEV) it is 1/8".

Any fittings that need to be replaced in my setup? Am I correct that I need 1/8" from the T banjo to the QEV? Thanks in advance.      

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"Definitely not!  CO2 is what?  Cold right!!?  Now lets say you put a tank cover on your CO2 tank to keep it warm... what do you think is honestly colder, the cold wind outside or the Freezing cold liquid CO2 inside your CO2 tank?  YUP thats right the CO2 by a long shot.  So let's say you want to put a cover on the CO2 tank to keep the tank warm... would that help?  Heck no, you would just help keep the coldness inside the tank not keep it warm... GET IT?  (sure this warmness vs. coldeness with the tank cover can be argued but the fact is I'm trying to teach you about CO2 so you understand the next thing I tell you)...

K so now that you have that, just think about what the Super RT does... it is supposed to give you a few more bps... how?  Well the hoses are wider right?... what does this mean?  That more COLD CO2 will be traveling at the same time through those hoses.  Do you think having more COLD CO2 is going to help stop your problem... Theoretically the very opposite will happen."

 

My thinking is that in colder temps liquid CO2 would enter the gun and r/t fittings due to the expansion chambers inability to allow enough time to convert it to gas form. With the smaller hoses/fittings, blockage due to the liquid would happen before it would happen with a diameter twice as big. Then again yes it could allow more liquid to enter the trigger system. I'll have to see for myself. Even if the bps was at a reduced rate it would be an improvement.

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Spent sometime at the paintball shop today working on the gun.  Replaced the macro line and one of it's fittings that seemed to be leaking, still not perfect but i can get it to stop leaking when i need to. 

I think using braided hose can handle CO2 much better than macro line.  But if you can get it to stop leaking then that's great.

We were testing it with the 1/16 lines and it seemed slow.  Then started ripping (going into very fast bursts at sudden times).  So he thought it was my rear bolt causing that due to wear.  We checked it and it seemed fine.  Then he replaced the drive spring with a Madd Mann drive spring and WOW what a difference.  Very fast now and the sweet spot seems very easy to find and hold. 

Ya what spring do you have in,  I have the maddmann spring kit too I'm wondering if I should use the green one (softer) or the red one (harder).

We replaced the hose lines with the 1/8 lines and then the QEV broke.  Remember when i had it cranked down before, well i must have over done it and gave it a hair line fracture on the threads and it broke off right in the feeder cylinder.  So now that is shot.  We replaced it with the regular 1/8th fitting and still the same result, only able to get 2-3 shot bursts no matter where you dialed it in.  So we went with the stock 1/16 hoses and fittings.  Everything seems to be working fine, better even i would say with the new spring.  As far as the QEV, i don't think i will be replacing it.  Everything seems to be working fine now so i'll probably keep it the way it is.  Or atleast until i hear some break through news to make this mod work on my gun.  Which i'm trying to get in touch with some local paintball shop owners and ask if they have dealt with this yet.  So i think i have things narrowed down to the upgrade itself, it's just not working for me.  Everything works with out it but once i put in on there goes my rt.  Just can't get it.

Well maybe it's an issue with pressure.  Because with wider hoses there can tend to be less pressure and some people have had it when their cyclone feed needs more pressure to work. 

A local Clippard representative called me today, ironic.  I told him what i was attempting to do with my gun and he explained to me in terms that i can't repeat cause it was over my head why this wouldn't work with this gun.  Something about pressure relay and the gun wouldn't function properly, just not designed for it.

It could be, my 98 Custom is doing great though..?!!

Took some pics of my gun but the battery went dead, i'll get them up tomorrow.  Is there anything on the gun you specifically want to see?  I took pics of the lines and everything.

Ya all I wanted to see were the lines.

One nice thing is that the guy at the paintball shop is adding HPA to his shop.  Now just buying the bottles.  I'm still not set on HPA, but if i do make that switch i may buy another QEV and give this a try again.

Okay good deal.

Lastly, hope you didn't miss too much of the superbowl, i know i didn't.  thanks man

Well I only missed one touchdown my team got while I was helping ya.  But I watched most of the first and second half.  Then I had a waterpolo game to go to so I sadly missed the end. oohh well, my team won so I'm happy.

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